The .36 Navy Model What a blast!
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Sure could have fooled me reading thru the thread... I found a lot of "sport" flowing in my direction! Seems it started with the name of the gun and torched-up from there.
What I don't get is why if you bring up a topic around here it MUST be worded to please the self-appointed rulers of this Forum or otherwise get you torn apart? I didn't find that in the rules of discussion.
Sure, I like to joke around like the next guy but it gets old all the time. It's not just me who's experienced it, I just speak back!
This could be a great Forum if that sort of little group stopped hazing new posters and newbe shooters.
If it offends certain people. then you are to whom I speak.
This is actually a pretty good place to get info and generally the posters are gentmanlly and cordial in their responses it's just when the "play" starts, it insults and offends new posters. Some may tuck their tails and leave but I don't don't believe in running.
Now lets try and start over or shall we keep up the way we were?
ZVP
Sure could have fooled me reading thru the thread... I found a lot of "sport" flowing in my direction! Seems it started with the name of the gun and torched-up from there.
What I don't get is why if you bring up a topic around here it MUST be worded to please the self-appointed rulers of this Forum or otherwise get you torn apart? I didn't find that in the rules of discussion.
Sure, I like to joke around like the next guy but it gets old all the time. It's not just me who's experienced it, I just speak back!
This could be a great Forum if that sort of little group stopped hazing new posters and newbe shooters.
If it offends certain people. then you are to whom I speak.
This is actually a pretty good place to get info and generally the posters are gentmanlly and cordial in their responses it's just when the "play" starts, it insults and offends new posters. Some may tuck their tails and leave but I don't don't believe in running.
Now lets try and start over or shall we keep up the way we were?
ZVP
rdstrain49
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yep.
Yea they make a Boom!
Ok with the usual safety warnings present don't ya just love the sound of a BP revolver fired out in the open? Normal firing ranges are either covered or enclose in some manner, some indoors which amplifies the discharge note somewhat. The roof directs the sound back at you and walls bounce sounds and contain them to unbearsble levels! Outdoors is way different
The throaty roar of Black Powder discharge is far different than the sharp crack of Smokless and perhaps that is part of the allure of BP shooting. As mentioned I took advantage of a situation and did some shooting with my .36Piettia Police model sans hearing muffs. I was suprised at how bearable the shots sounded and were. I had no difficulty shooting under these conditions.
I'd done some handgun hunting and the sound of full house .357 Mags outdoors is far, FAR louder! Smokeless dosent seem to get absourbed by foilage and grasses.
Now just cause I did it don't you do it but due ti a slight hearing imparement from dear Uncle Sam I had no pain or discomfort with the .36. I tried a Remington. 44 but the 35 gr load was pretty loud for the bare ear. I could see me shooting my .36 out in the open!
I wonder if conicals sound different than Ball loads? Higher pressures might change the note?
Have any of you had outdoor experiences with your revolvers?
ZVP
Ok with the usual safety warnings present don't ya just love the sound of a BP revolver fired out in the open? Normal firing ranges are either covered or enclose in some manner, some indoors which amplifies the discharge note somewhat. The roof directs the sound back at you and walls bounce sounds and contain them to unbearsble levels! Outdoors is way different
The throaty roar of Black Powder discharge is far different than the sharp crack of Smokless and perhaps that is part of the allure of BP shooting. As mentioned I took advantage of a situation and did some shooting with my .36Piettia Police model sans hearing muffs. I was suprised at how bearable the shots sounded and were. I had no difficulty shooting under these conditions.
I'd done some handgun hunting and the sound of full house .357 Mags outdoors is far, FAR louder! Smokeless dosent seem to get absourbed by foilage and grasses.
Now just cause I did it don't you do it but due ti a slight hearing imparement from dear Uncle Sam I had no pain or discomfort with the .36. I tried a Remington. 44 but the 35 gr load was pretty loud for the bare ear. I could see me shooting my .36 out in the open!
I wonder if conicals sound different than Ball loads? Higher pressures might change the note?
Have any of you had outdoor experiences with your revolvers?
ZVP
Hawg,
I always wondered if the Conicals kick just a bit more than a Round ball?
I have not yet had the chance to try them out.
I understand they can be really accurate and since they weigh so much more, they must generate more ftLbs of energy!
Ihave read of Buffalo bullets and something about them having a stepped heel to assist in loading. That sounds like a good idea to speed up loading.
What's a typical .36 conical weigh?
Do you loose much velocity with them?
ZVP
I always wondered if the Conicals kick just a bit more than a Round ball?
I have not yet had the chance to try them out.
I understand they can be really accurate and since they weigh so much more, they must generate more ftLbs of energy!
Ihave read of Buffalo bullets and something about them having a stepped heel to assist in loading. That sounds like a good idea to speed up loading.
What's a typical .36 conical weigh?
Do you loose much velocity with them?
ZVP
They do have a little more kick but round balls are more accurate. Conicals hit harder. Mine are cast from a Lee mold. I got the .380 mold and should have gotten the .375. The Lee's are tapered but the .380 is still too big to start. You have to balance them on the chamber mouth while working the lever. They do load easy and straight once you get them started tho. I don't remember offhand what they weigh. They load very easy in my brass Remington but those chambers are a little larger. Dunno bout velocity, never chrono'd them.
From what I have always got is the conicals totaly defeat the idea of a fast soft lead bullet deal so they have more effect on the shooter than the target. The main down is from what I see is they are a pain to get in the guns too. Walkers or dragoon types they have room to get them in the cylinder but all the rest they are a pain.
A question I should ask is why so many people favor the 1851 Navy.
I have always preferred the look of the 1862 Police and Sheriff's models in .36 caliber to the Navy models.
I've found the 1862 Police, whether with the 5.5 or 8" barrel balances superbly in my hand and the weight is just right for a "carry" pistol. The 1861 Navy is a fine small gun too, though it doesn't have the same balance.
During the civil war, paper cartridges were used, but the bullet weights ranged from 139 to 155 grains, depending upon who made them. A .36 caliber (.375") lead round ball weighed about 70 grains. If pushed to 1000 fps, that only produces 155 ft-lbs, though I suspect the lightweight ball was moving considerably faster.
If the 139 grain moved at 1000 fps that gives 309 ft-lbs while a 155gr at 850 fps would give 249 ft-lbs. In contrast, the .38 Special 158gr @800 fps produces 225 ft-lbs.
Has anyone chronographed their round ball loads?
I have always preferred the look of the 1862 Police and Sheriff's models in .36 caliber to the Navy models.
I've found the 1862 Police, whether with the 5.5 or 8" barrel balances superbly in my hand and the weight is just right for a "carry" pistol. The 1861 Navy is a fine small gun too, though it doesn't have the same balance.
During the civil war, paper cartridges were used, but the bullet weights ranged from 139 to 155 grains, depending upon who made them. A .36 caliber (.375") lead round ball weighed about 70 grains. If pushed to 1000 fps, that only produces 155 ft-lbs, though I suspect the lightweight ball was moving considerably faster.
If the 139 grain moved at 1000 fps that gives 309 ft-lbs while a 155gr at 850 fps would give 249 ft-lbs. In contrast, the .38 Special 158gr @800 fps produces 225 ft-lbs.
Has anyone chronographed their round ball loads?
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Cap and Ball Ballistics
By Ed Sanow
Handguns February 1998
Cap and Ball Wound Ballistics
Calibre
Firearm
Bullet
FFFg
Velocity
Energy
1 Shot Stop
.36 Navy
Colt 1851 Navy
70gr RB
22gr
1038 fps
189 ft lb
59%
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255957&page=2&highlight=sanow
Cap and Ball Ballistics
By Ed Sanow
Handguns February 1998
Cap and Ball Wound Ballistics
Calibre
Firearm
Bullet
FFFg
Velocity
Energy
1 Shot Stop
.36 Navy
Colt 1851 Navy
70gr RB
22gr
1038 fps
189 ft lb
59%
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255957&page=2&highlight=sanow
Why do people prefer the the 1851 pattern?...
It is my opinion (and that is all it is.) that people subconsciously like the octagon barrel. It appears (again, only a matter of my opinion) to be more businesslike than the elegant 1860 with its graceful lines and round barrel.
It is also my opinion that the 1860 is a better looking revolver.
It is my opinion (and that is all it is.) that people subconsciously like the octagon barrel. It appears (again, only a matter of my opinion) to be more businesslike than the elegant 1860 with its graceful lines and round barrel.
It is also my opinion that the 1860 is a better looking revolver.
Many people consider the 1851 navy revolver, the best balanced C&B revolver ever made. They point naturally, and they were known for their accuracy. The 51 grip was also more popular over the bigger "army" grip, or the smaller 1862 pocket police/navy grips, so much so that they were carried over to the 1873 SAA. There are many reasons that the 1851 was so popular even when there were more powerful .44s available.
The Lee bullets look like they'd load very straight inside the cylinder. I have read posts that some Conicals don't load straight in the chambers but those Lee;s sure look good!
I have both a '51 London model .36 and a '62 Piettia Police Frankilly the 51 feels lighter in the hand than the short barreled Police does. I think the barrel assy on the '62 is a litle heavier. At leadt it feels that way to me.
I really can't choose between the two as I really like shooting both!
ZVP
I have both a '51 London model .36 and a '62 Piettia Police Frankilly the 51 feels lighter in the hand than the short barreled Police does. I think the barrel assy on the '62 is a litle heavier. At leadt it feels that way to me.
I really can't choose between the two as I really like shooting both!
ZVP