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SamHouston

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Whew that was close!

I thought I was going to loose my free health care that Hillary has promised. Thank god, with all the assault weapons off the streets the cost of health care should drop tremendously. Also, all the money we save in cutting Military spending will go a long way in paying for all the neat stuff I'm going to get from the Gov't.

The bickering over who gets the super delegates can now begin. She mentioned this morning a Clinton / Obama Ticket may be the answer.

I think I'll turn off the TV and go buy some ammo while I still can.
 
All the above was pure sarcasm and meant to be semi-humorous. I don't think either would be good for the country or my rights to own firearms.

It will be interesting to see if Hillary can wrestle away the nomination from Obama and will there be a lawsuit to stop her nomination?
 
Have you noticed that the liberals always take the big cities? while out in the country the conservatives win.I think that most of the ones in the big cities are on the goverment dole while the country people stand on their own two feet.All I want from the goverment is to be left alone.sj
 
PSSST... Don't tell them liberals but it was the best thing we could hope for. Now McCain actually has time to bring back voters to the GOP while those 2 are wasting time in a candidate race rather than either one in a presidential ticket. And Hitlery is our best chance at keeping a gungrabber out of the white house.
Brent
 
sjones, you're right.

They talk about Obama carrying Dallas, but out of the 6 million people in the DFW metro area Dallas only has about 1.5 million and the majority are minorities. It would be interesting to see a poll on the entire metro area that includes the 26 other cities.
 
Sam Houston,look in this mornings dallas paper on page 12a and you will see the map I am talking about.At one time I lived in KC,Mo and it was the same way there,it and all the other big cities went liberal and the rest of the state went conservative.I've seen people of three generations all lived on the dole and never contributed one thing to society,just took.It just burns me up.sj
 
Have you noticed that the liberals always take the big cities? while out in the country the conservatives win.I think that most of the ones in the big cities are on the goverment dole while the country people stand on their own two feet.

Do you have any actual evidence to support this? Numbers, studies, anything? What exactly is the rate (per capita) of metro residents on public assistance compared to rural?

Because I'm looking at numbers right now that suggest that maybe rural residents don't stand on their own two feet quite as well as you're suggesting. For instance, give this a skim. And I'll assume you were only referring to direct assistance to individuals, and not taking into account the various forms "the dole" can actually take on a larger scale: for instance, farm subsidies, taxes specifically to improve rural communications access, funding (federal and state) for roads disproportionate to how many people actually use them, or the fact that in general predominantly "urban" states see less back from the federal coffers than they spend, where the opposite is true for largely "rural" states (suggesting that perhaps those folks out in the sticks are freeloading more than they'd like to think).

Of course, I have to be careful that I don't go trying to oversimplify things just as much as you were, merely in the opposite direction. So I'll simply move back to the question: on what do you base your assumption that rural residents are less reliant, in dollars per capita, on the government than their urban cousins? Just a preconceived notion?

They talk about Obama carrying Dallas, but out of the 6 million people in the DFW metro area Dallas only has about 1.5 million and the majority are minorities. It would be interesting to see a poll on the entire metro area that includes the 26 other cities.

I'm sure if you really wanted that info it's available somewhere. I just don't think a majority of people are really too interested in breaking it down any farther than the county level. Though the fact that Obama's margins were lower in "outlying" counties (bordering Dallas County) of the metro area suggests that you're probably correct regarding the results in suburbs.

And yes, you can generally simply look at a by-county map of any state dring a presidential election and instantly spot the major metro areas. In a state like Massachusetts, they're the darker blue (assuming red=republican/blue=democratic). In Ohio, they're the blue areas. In Utah, they're simply the less red areas. But they're always easy to spot. Especially in states with smaller counties. There is a strong rural/urban political divide in this country; having lived in both areas, I've become intimately familiar with it.
 
Not much difference between the two Dems, so I couldn't care less at this point. McNugget is not that much better. I do agree that the only enjoyment some of us get out of this is watching them all act like kids trying to rip each other apart. Long way to go, and it will get worse...
 
Long way to go, and it will get worse...

Yeah, can you say nasty! If Hillary wins using super-delegates, then there will be a riot on the convention floor by Obama backers. You will hear racism & sexism so many times you will not be able keep score.

Get a bag of popcorm...this could be fun.:D

In the meantime, McCain can spend his days looking Presidential....whatever that means.
 
Yeah, can you say nasty! If Hillary wins using super-delegates, then there will be a riot on the convention floor by Obama backers. You will hear racism & sexism so many times you will not be able keep score.

Considering it's statistically impossible for her to catch up in pledged delegates, this is pretty much the only way it can happen as well. I don't know, though, I just don't see it happening. The superdelegates have every incentive to do what's best for the party, and I'm not seeing how ignoring the pledged delegate count (assuming it doesn't get much closer...she probably only gained what, one or two yesterday?) is good for the Democratic Party in the short run, let alone the long run.

I'm just honestly curious what Hillary's endgame is at this point. I'd like to think she's just gunning for a VP spot (and thus maybe another shot in 8 years), and not actually trying to destroy the party's chances in the general out of spite for not being handed the nomination on a silver platter. I'd also like to think she doesn't honestly think she has a great chance in the general with a nomination handed to her by unelected delegates after a long and contentious primary run.

Then again, we've got a little while left. Things could change. I agree with madmag; grab the poporn, and pass me a beer.
 
I'm just honestly curious what Hillary's endgame is at this point. I'd like to think she's just gunning for a VP spot

I really don't think that her ego would allow her to take the VP slot. She has other ideas.........

Hillary Clinton has hinted today at a dream ticket with "Vice President Obama" after she pulled her presidential campaign back from the abyss with crucial comeback victories in Texas and Ohio.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...McCain seals the Republican ticket/article.do
 
Actually, I thought she said something of the effect to "we're running to see who gets to be on top" as well. Implying that she would accept a VP slot if he was given the nomination (though no, I don't know that it would actually be offered or accepted).

I cannot imagine the kind of ego it must take to essentially offer the VP slot to the person who is leading you in the delegate count (even including superdelegates who have indicated support one way or the other). Seriously.

Texas and Ohio were both "must win" states for her...not in the "if she wins these, she's golden" sense but rather in the "if she doesn't win these, she may as well go home" sense. It amazes me that what were marginal (and somewhat expected) wins at best are being spun as some huge victory.
 
Both Dems are surrounded by cults of personality. Clinton's consists largely of herself and those who see her as a chance to have a woman president. Obama's consists of those who want a black president and (as he himself said) see in him whatever they want to see, regardless of what's there.

Neither will take a VP slot unless there is absolutely no other chance of being in the White House. And the one who takes the VP slot will be praying for something "tragic" to happen before the general election so that the nominee is no longer in play.
 
8 years? And some people call ME a pessimist.

Hey, I said "maybe." :D

I'd say the odds of Clinton, Obama, or McCain sticking around for 8 years are lower than usual.


I was going to say "amazed doesn't equal surprised," but as usual I went to check myself before saying something foolish. And apparently the definition of "amaze" I was using is "obsolete." Better than "archaic" I guess.
 
President of Vice, I mean Vice President

Reguarding the VP slot .... I believe Bill had his eye on that. A Clinton / Clinton double ticket would be the way to go.
 
Reguarding the VP slot .... I believe Bill had his eye on that. A Clinton / Clinton double ticket would be the way to go.

In that case, expect a call to amend the Constitution so that only more than two consecutive terms are barred. Then, the Clintons could hand off the presidency every 8 years until they die or the country revolts.
 
Have you noticed that the liberals always take the big cities? while out in the country the conservatives win.I think that most of the ones in the big cities are on the goverment dole while the country people stand on their own two feet.All I want from the goverment is to be left alone.sj
Maybe. Maybe not.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/amberwaves/november03/Findings/childpoverty.htm

Child poverty rates vary across rural and urban areas. Rural or nonmetropolitan (nonmetro) areas have historically had higher poverty than urban or metro areas partly due to higher rural unemployment and a greater share of low-wage jobs in rural areas. The share of rural children in families with incomes below the poverty level declined from 22 percent in 1990 to 19 percent in 2000. An expanding economy and welfare reform in the 1990s both helped reduce the rate. However, the rural child poverty rate remains higher than the urban rate (19 percent versus 15 percent). In 2000, 2.7 million rural children (under 18) were poor, representing 34 percent of the rural poverty population.
Note that having children is usually a requirement to being "on the government dole". A single person without kids can't just walk into a welfare office and demand a check.
 
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