Double Naught Spy
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Well, peet, that is fine and all, but this thread has nothing to do with NY. FYI, Texas schools can issue written permission as well. It doesn't have to be written either.
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Texas is Considering Allowing Concealed Carry on College Campuses
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Well, peet, that is fine and all, but this thread has nothing to do with NY. FYI, Texas schools can issue written permission as well. It doesn't have to be written either.
The blatant ageism that often rears its ugly head regarding this issue never ceases to amaze me. The assumption that the majority of college students are nothing more than a bunch of irresponsible, drunken frat boys is nothing more than a stereotype and not even a particularly accurate one at that. At the college I attend, the majority of the students are both polite and professional (tuition is an awfully expensive way to party). The notion that I (who have legally carried since I was 18 and never been in trouble more serious than a traffic ticket) suddenly become too irresponsible to exercise my rights the moment I step on campus would be laughable if it were not so offensive. Then again, what do I know, I'm only 22 so I suppose perhaps I'm still too young and stupid to have an opinion (or rights).
JuanCarlos
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It will be a good thing for both Texas and beyond if this passes. Assuming this passes, it will just provide a wider range of schools that can be pointed to as examples of how allowing CCW on campus doesn't have any significant detrimental effects.
How many colleges and universities are in Texas, serving how many students? How many in urban areas, how many in rural? What is the range of campus sizes? Pretty sure all of these run the spectrum.
Yes, this could be very nice indeed for those of us in states where CCW on campus isn't a pipe dream. No, you won't get the laws in California or Massachusetts changed, but this could make it easier to get the laws in Montana changed.
It's even more amusing because it falls apart in the face of even the slightest bit of argument. We're talking about permitholders here, not the general student body. People who are theoretically responsible enough to carry on the west side of 19th avenue, but suddenly become too immature to handle it on the east side of the street? Who can carry in a shopping mall or movie theater full of their fellow students, children, and bystanders but not in a classroom? Concealed means concealed (at least in many states), so what's the issue?
If the average 21-year-old college student is too immature to carry, then the average 21-year-old is too immature to carry and the age needs to be raised. A 40-year-old permitholder doesn't suddenly become less mature because they decided to go back for a degree, either.
How many colleges and universities are in Texas, serving how many students? How many in urban areas, how many in rural? What is the range of campus sizes? Pretty sure all of these run the spectrum.
Yes, this could be very nice indeed for those of us in states where CCW on campus isn't a pipe dream. No, you won't get the laws in California or Massachusetts changed, but this could make it easier to get the laws in Montana changed.
The blatant ageism that often rears its ugly head regarding this issue never ceases to amaze me. The assumption that the majority of college students are nothing more than a bunch of irresponsible, drunken frat boys is nothing more than a stereotype and not even a particularly accurate one at that. At the college I attend, the majority of the students are both polite and professional (tuition is an awfully expensive way to party). The notion that I (who have legally carried since I was 18 and never been in trouble more serious than a traffic ticket) suddenly become too irresponsible to exercise my rights the moment I step on campus would be laughable if it were not so offensive. Then again, what do I know, I'm only 22 so I suppose perhaps I'm still too young and stupid to have an opinion (or rights).
It's even more amusing because it falls apart in the face of even the slightest bit of argument. We're talking about permitholders here, not the general student body. People who are theoretically responsible enough to carry on the west side of 19th avenue, but suddenly become too immature to handle it on the east side of the street? Who can carry in a shopping mall or movie theater full of their fellow students, children, and bystanders but not in a classroom? Concealed means concealed (at least in many states), so what's the issue?
If the average 21-year-old college student is too immature to carry, then the average 21-year-old is too immature to carry and the age needs to be raised. A 40-year-old permitholder doesn't suddenly become less mature because they decided to go back for a degree, either.
Quote from Yellowfin: They can't do any such thing. They are instead heavily pressuring the law not to pass because they are leftist authoritarian slimeballs.
Yellowfin, I agree with the latter part of your summation, but I would disagree somewhat with the first part. Legally they might not be able to cause you to not carry in class, but you might find your essays being graded on a whole new scale in their class. They ( the liberal left) have already usurped freedom of speech in their classrooms to the point that disagreeing too much could be detrimental to your academic health. Professors with tenure seem to believe they can do about anything they want in the classroom and not be called on the carpet for it. I believe the pressure would be there, if not overtly, then covertly.
Yellowfin, I agree with the latter part of your summation, but I would disagree somewhat with the first part. Legally they might not be able to cause you to not carry in class, but you might find your essays being graded on a whole new scale in their class. They ( the liberal left) have already usurped freedom of speech in their classrooms to the point that disagreeing too much could be detrimental to your academic health. Professors with tenure seem to believe they can do about anything they want in the classroom and not be called on the carpet for it. I believe the pressure would be there, if not overtly, then covertly.
chemgirlie
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This is why I would concealed carry in class. Somebody wouldn't be able to grade me down if for carrying if they don't know I'm carrying in the first place.Legally they might not be able to cause you to not carry in class, but you might find your essays being graded on a whole new scale in their class.
thrgunsmith
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first 18-22 isn't all thats on campus
my friend works on a campus, she is 48 and would like to ccw.
sure, just try getting written permission, and the NY permit system isn't like real America.
even in CA you don't need a stinking permit just to keep a gun in your house, just to CCW.
Even in CA if you have a ccw you can carry in every major city. lets say you have a Utica ccw- you can not carry in NYC!.
NY permits? you need a stinking permit for every darn gun, they are expensive and in NYC it can take a year per permit.
NY/NJ do not even resemble the free USA.
my friend works on a campus, she is 48 and would like to ccw.
You know, it really amazes me when I see things like this.... and not why you would think.
Everybody bashes NY state as being "liberal" and "anti-gun" but when I look at the laws I don't see it.
We have life-time permits.
Almost all areas of the state issue concealed carry.
There are VERY FEW restrictions on where and when we can carry.
Schools and Universities can issue written permission for carry.
We have what amounts to the "Castle Doctrine".
... and then everybody thinks places like Texas are "pro-gun". Weird, ain't it.
sure, just try getting written permission, and the NY permit system isn't like real America.
even in CA you don't need a stinking permit just to keep a gun in your house, just to CCW.
Even in CA if you have a ccw you can carry in every major city. lets say you have a Utica ccw- you can not carry in NYC!.
NY permits? you need a stinking permit for every darn gun, they are expensive and in NYC it can take a year per permit.
NY/NJ do not even resemble the free USA.
chemgirlie
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I don't carry illegally, so there's no entity to report me to. I suppose somebody could fill a prof in about my carry status, but he has no way to verify said claim. I don't advertise my political beliefs. If you ask me about something I won't lie about it, but in a potentially awkward situation I might simply avoid answering all together.Chemgirlie: You have more faith in it not being found out and reported than I do.
If I could realistically show that I was discriminated against based on my carry status (which would be quite a tall order) I would take it to the dean and keep appealing my way up the system and potentially into the legal system.
As an Assistant Professor of Business, an NRA Endowment Member, and an annual member of TSRA, I need to correct the take on this legislation that it will result in 18-22 year olds being armed. In fact, it does not change the basic requirement that one must be 21 to get a CHL. All it does is to allow existing CHL holders to carry on campus. It is not about giving guns to freshmen.
On the campus where I teach, a small, private university in Austin, that means that the only folks likely to be qualified for a Texas CHL are some juniors, most seniors, faculty and staff. We also have an Adult Degree Program for older, non-traditional age students, open to those over the age of 23. Of course that population is old enough to carry. In fact, I doubt if we would have more than 3-4 CHL's on campus at any one time, unless they were faculty or staff, and I doubt if more than a few of us would get the CHL and carry on campus.
The idea that we would have 18-year old freshmen with guns on campus is more propaganda from the anti-gun, anti-self-defense crowd.
On the campus where I teach, a small, private university in Austin, that means that the only folks likely to be qualified for a Texas CHL are some juniors, most seniors, faculty and staff. We also have an Adult Degree Program for older, non-traditional age students, open to those over the age of 23. Of course that population is old enough to carry. In fact, I doubt if we would have more than 3-4 CHL's on campus at any one time, unless they were faculty or staff, and I doubt if more than a few of us would get the CHL and carry on campus.
The idea that we would have 18-year old freshmen with guns on campus is more propaganda from the anti-gun, anti-self-defense crowd.
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Does anyone have any info about Texas' current state on on campus concealed carry? I was talkin to a friend of mine a couple days ago and he said that it was now legal to carry on campus but I had never heard anything about it and i figured it would be every had it passed.
I tried lookin online but I could never get a straight answer so figured I'd come ask real people about the question... any answers or reliable links would be appreciated... yall have a good one!
Does anyone have any info about Texas' current state on on campus concealed carry? I was talkin to a friend of mine a couple days ago and he said that it was now legal to carry on campus but I had never heard anything about it and i figured it would be every had it passed.
I tried lookin online but I could never get a straight answer so figured I'd come ask real people about the question... any answers or reliable links would be appreciated... yall have a good one!
Glenn E. Meyer
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Anybody who said that is an idiot. It is NOT legal.
Also, there is tons of info on the debate. The TX CHL forum will take you through the horror show of the last legislative session.
While there was sufficient legislative support for passage on the surface, under the surface forces and influences trashed it.
See http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewforum.php?f=90&sid=aabb7bd10477ef5465b3f4f3af0d1b59 for a review.
The governor did not shine despite his pro-gun stance. However, we did get a parking lot bill that allows guns in your car in campus lots and most work places.
Also, there is tons of info on the debate. The TX CHL forum will take you through the horror show of the last legislative session.
While there was sufficient legislative support for passage on the surface, under the surface forces and influences trashed it.
See http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewforum.php?f=90&sid=aabb7bd10477ef5465b3f4f3af0d1b59 for a review.
The governor did not shine despite his pro-gun stance. However, we did get a parking lot bill that allows guns in your car in campus lots and most work places.