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Texas gunman opens fire outside of courthouse
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credit where credit is due ...
Mark Allen Wilson, 52
No one who knew Mark Allen Wilson is surprised by his sacrifice.
John O'Sullivan, who owned the downtown building where Mark Wilson lived, said Wilson was a good friend.
"He didn't shy away from danger," O'Sullivan said. "He always jumped into things."
He said Wilson's response to the rampage was "typical Mark Wilson."
Wilson opened an indoor gun range in Tyler, On-Target, in 1997. It was a facility focused on self-defense, say people who knew him.
Tyler cardiologist Dr. Scott Lieberman, Wilson's friend and former business associate, said Wilson was a "fundamental believer in self-defense and protection."
"He was demonstrating that today," Lieberman said. "He had a strong sense of honor and protection."
That sense of protection extended to the entire downtown area, Wilson's friends say.
"He was a downtown fixture, having been there for so long," said one neighbor, Billy Boone. "He looked out for everyone else's place. If something looked wrong or out of place, he'd check on it."
Wilson's apartment looked directly onto the courthouse, Boone added.
"He had a bird's-eye view of what was happening," Boone said. "I imagine he saw it and immediately reacted. That's the kind of guy he was."
Mark Anderson, a friend, agreed. "It was a very heroic thing for him to do. But he lost his life in the process."
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This and related stories at http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1994&pag=460&dept_ID=226369
Note body in photo near fire hydrant ... attempted to use for cover?
RIP, Mr. Wilson. Prayers for friends and family.
Mark Allen Wilson, 52
No one who knew Mark Allen Wilson is surprised by his sacrifice.
John O'Sullivan, who owned the downtown building where Mark Wilson lived, said Wilson was a good friend.
"He didn't shy away from danger," O'Sullivan said. "He always jumped into things."
He said Wilson's response to the rampage was "typical Mark Wilson."
Wilson opened an indoor gun range in Tyler, On-Target, in 1997. It was a facility focused on self-defense, say people who knew him.
Tyler cardiologist Dr. Scott Lieberman, Wilson's friend and former business associate, said Wilson was a "fundamental believer in self-defense and protection."
"He was demonstrating that today," Lieberman said. "He had a strong sense of honor and protection."
That sense of protection extended to the entire downtown area, Wilson's friends say.
"He was a downtown fixture, having been there for so long," said one neighbor, Billy Boone. "He looked out for everyone else's place. If something looked wrong or out of place, he'd check on it."
Wilson's apartment looked directly onto the courthouse, Boone added.
"He had a bird's-eye view of what was happening," Boone said. "I imagine he saw it and immediately reacted. That's the kind of guy he was."
Mark Anderson, a friend, agreed. "It was a very heroic thing for him to do. But he lost his life in the process."
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This and related stories at http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1994&pag=460&dept_ID=226369
Note body in photo near fire hydrant ... attempted to use for cover?
RIP, Mr. Wilson. Prayers for friends and family.
TheeBadOne
Moderator
From reading posts on here we all know "Cops can't shoot" 
but check out the dash video of the ending.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/tyle...oard_video_of_shooting_chase_Feb_26_2005.html
but check out the dash video of the ending. http://www.ogrish.com/archives/tyle...oard_video_of_shooting_chase_Feb_26_2005.html
TheeBadOne:
The link you provided seems mainly concerned with "porn", not your fault, but not appropriate. I might not be opposed to porn, of and or in itself, but there is a time and place for everything.
Finally, when something did appear on the auxillary screen, one got the usually "buffering" notice, followed by a very gray image, which seemed to show nothing in particular, followed by notification of "stopped". Even though, the clip was just 45 seconds in length, if I understood things correctly, seems as if 45 seconds of film could show something. This didn't seem to.
The link you provided seems mainly concerned with "porn", not your fault, but not appropriate. I might not be opposed to porn, of and or in itself, but there is a time and place for everything.
Finally, when something did appear on the auxillary screen, one got the usually "buffering" notice, followed by a very gray image, which seemed to show nothing in particular, followed by notification of "stopped". Even though, the clip was just 45 seconds in length, if I understood things correctly, seems as if 45 seconds of film could show something. This didn't seem to.
Might be down now or some kind of "settings" cross-wire. Try right click and save. It doesn't take long.
Basically they chase him down, he gets out of his car and while he's trying to engage the cops behind him, it appears a cop stopped across the way behind him drops him clean.
Cleaner than he deserved.
Basically they chase him down, he gets out of his car and while he's trying to engage the cops behind him, it appears a cop stopped across the way behind him drops him clean.
Cleaner than he deserved.
I would almost guarantee this was Family Court. I am still in awe about how the Texas Family Court system operates. Everything you ever thought about justice, truth, law and fairness goes straight out the window. In my case the judge set Child Support ABOVE the legal limit. The reasons were classic! (you're single now and can afford it). The lawyers ran the show and like my lawyer said: "The laws got nothing to do with it".
Still this is an unfortunate event. Was the shooter ever previously involved in anything violent, or did he snap when he saw himself reduced to semi-chattel slavery, his kids taken, his life ruined and a court unwilling to address his greivances? I guess we won't know.
Still this is an unfortunate event. Was the shooter ever previously involved in anything violent, or did he snap when he saw himself reduced to semi-chattel slavery, his kids taken, his life ruined and a court unwilling to address his greivances? I guess we won't know.
kjm:
I've had no PERSONAL experience with family court anywhere, though I did have some INDIRECT experience with family court in NYC years ago.
A friend of mine made what one could reasonably call "a bad marriage" actually it was a terrible mistake on his part. The woman he wed was a divorcee, with two children, custody thereof had been granted to their father, as the mother was certifiably nuts, just plain crazy, which while not her fault, was a serious problem. She had been in and out of mental institutions for years.
Anyway, my friend, a diabetic, since dead from diabetic complications and this lady married, and in the course of events conceived a child. My old friend was "on that downhill slope" unemployed as a reult of one of those ever present slumps in the engineering business, worstening health and such. He wanted the child put up for adoption, for obvious reasons. The court came up with some sort of rubbish abpout "not taking a child away from it's mother", who in this case was incompetent, legally so. The judge also ordered my impoverished friend to pay support to everyone in sight, which was financially impossible for him to do, as he was essentially subsisting on Unemployment Compensation.
Facts didn't impress the court, which ordered him to pay, or face jail. Essentially, he told the judge to either have him arrested right then and there, because unless told he had been arrested, he was leaving the court room. He was so told, and remained seated, and was jailed, for about two days, when somehow the light of intelligence went on in the judges head, maybe her clerk acquainted her with the facts of the matter. Orders were vacated, and the child was put up for adoption, and was adopted.
Possibly, even in Texas, essenatally telling the judge to "go pound salt", might have obtained a more salutory result than was obtained by gunfire. Seems as if that would have been worth a try, which is very easy for one who is totally uninvolved to offer. In any case, sad to note, at this point, there is nothing much that can be done, except to pick up whatever pieces might be lying around.
As for the role that media might play now and or later on, following true to form, it will likely be wrong headed and slanted in it's presentations, and otherwise irresponsible, which makes a sad bit of business even sadder.
I've had no PERSONAL experience with family court anywhere, though I did have some INDIRECT experience with family court in NYC years ago.
A friend of mine made what one could reasonably call "a bad marriage" actually it was a terrible mistake on his part. The woman he wed was a divorcee, with two children, custody thereof had been granted to their father, as the mother was certifiably nuts, just plain crazy, which while not her fault, was a serious problem. She had been in and out of mental institutions for years.
Anyway, my friend, a diabetic, since dead from diabetic complications and this lady married, and in the course of events conceived a child. My old friend was "on that downhill slope" unemployed as a reult of one of those ever present slumps in the engineering business, worstening health and such. He wanted the child put up for adoption, for obvious reasons. The court came up with some sort of rubbish abpout "not taking a child away from it's mother", who in this case was incompetent, legally so. The judge also ordered my impoverished friend to pay support to everyone in sight, which was financially impossible for him to do, as he was essentially subsisting on Unemployment Compensation.
Facts didn't impress the court, which ordered him to pay, or face jail. Essentially, he told the judge to either have him arrested right then and there, because unless told he had been arrested, he was leaving the court room. He was so told, and remained seated, and was jailed, for about two days, when somehow the light of intelligence went on in the judges head, maybe her clerk acquainted her with the facts of the matter. Orders were vacated, and the child was put up for adoption, and was adopted.
Possibly, even in Texas, essenatally telling the judge to "go pound salt", might have obtained a more salutory result than was obtained by gunfire. Seems as if that would have been worth a try, which is very easy for one who is totally uninvolved to offer. In any case, sad to note, at this point, there is nothing much that can be done, except to pick up whatever pieces might be lying around.
As for the role that media might play now and or later on, following true to form, it will likely be wrong headed and slanted in it's presentations, and otherwise irresponsible, which makes a sad bit of business even sadder.
Oh- I am not condoning what the guy did. I am just stating that I am surprised that it hasn't happened more often. I suppose that most men are just giddy to be rid of the ex and don't consider the long-term consequences. I myself had the lack of intelligence to not have a lawyer in my divorce.
I was ordered to pay child support at a rate that exceeded 45% of my income for two kids, when the state guidlines clearly set the limit at 24%. I was surprised to find that the mental incompetence of the mother is not regularly considered as a determining factor. Neither is sexual immorality (In addition to the affairs, there have been a constant stream of men since and associated health problems that follow that lifestyle additionally being hospitalized several times with psychiatric illness')
It was simply inconcievable to the judge (a female herself) that a man could be capable of raising children. In subsequent years I have had wages garnished for not paying child support (thank you Atty General John Cornyn), when the ex lied about my pay history to get a welfare check. After proving the allegations false, I never did recieve that money back. I've also been sentenced to jail (suspended- thank God), when as it ended up, I was actually a half-month ahead on CS rather than behind as was claimed.
Slavery exists in this country and is enforced at the family courts nationwide. Think the courts follow any type of logic? What about the guy ordered to pay CS on a child after oral activities and the woman used the proceeds of said activities to impregnate herself. Then their was the case of a woman who used semen from a used condom to impregnate herself with somebody not even in a relationship with, but still ended up collecting CS. The stories are incredible and unless you've been there, you cannot fathom that it could happen.
This guy was dead wrong. Time is the best vengeance. When a woman (or man) conducts their business like that, their kids end up hating them, and they usually end up bitter and rejected by all. It has been one of the true pleasures of my life to watch my ex's life completely disentigrate as her own family has rejected her and her friends abandoned her and the kids begining to despise her, all the while she is blaming everybody else for her problems which guarantees that I will have more gratification in the future (things don't get better until you accept responsibility for your problems) Time is better than bullets in these cases. What comes around truly does go around!
I was ordered to pay child support at a rate that exceeded 45% of my income for two kids, when the state guidlines clearly set the limit at 24%. I was surprised to find that the mental incompetence of the mother is not regularly considered as a determining factor. Neither is sexual immorality (In addition to the affairs, there have been a constant stream of men since and associated health problems that follow that lifestyle additionally being hospitalized several times with psychiatric illness')
It was simply inconcievable to the judge (a female herself) that a man could be capable of raising children. In subsequent years I have had wages garnished for not paying child support (thank you Atty General John Cornyn), when the ex lied about my pay history to get a welfare check. After proving the allegations false, I never did recieve that money back. I've also been sentenced to jail (suspended- thank God), when as it ended up, I was actually a half-month ahead on CS rather than behind as was claimed.
Slavery exists in this country and is enforced at the family courts nationwide. Think the courts follow any type of logic? What about the guy ordered to pay CS on a child after oral activities and the woman used the proceeds of said activities to impregnate herself. Then their was the case of a woman who used semen from a used condom to impregnate herself with somebody not even in a relationship with, but still ended up collecting CS. The stories are incredible and unless you've been there, you cannot fathom that it could happen.
This guy was dead wrong. Time is the best vengeance. When a woman (or man) conducts their business like that, their kids end up hating them, and they usually end up bitter and rejected by all. It has been one of the true pleasures of my life to watch my ex's life completely disentigrate as her own family has rejected her and her friends abandoned her and the kids begining to despise her, all the while she is blaming everybody else for her problems which guarantees that I will have more gratification in the future (things don't get better until you accept responsibility for your problems) Time is better than bullets in these cases. What comes around truly does go around!
Direct link to the dash cam video.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/february/ogrish-dot-com-tyler_dashcam_video.wmv
It was as clear as any I've seen.
I was researching this shooting and just realized the last post was in March. Sorry about that.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/february/ogrish-dot-com-tyler_dashcam_video.wmv
It was as clear as any I've seen.
I was researching this shooting and just realized the last post was in March. Sorry about that.
Harley Quinn
Moderator
Good Post thanks for reviving it...
jimpeel,
This is a great thread it should be stickered and be able to be seen by all.
Thanks for bringing it up and running again.
Very heroic effort by all, it sounds like the fellow Mark Allen Wilson was definitly a hero. He was looking to go out that way by some of the responses from his neighbors. Not all bad.
His cardiologist said he was a good guy.
Had a heart problem? Might have been the way he wanted to go and got the chance.
To bad he did not go for some head shots. I sure would like to know more about this. Eight months ago, I will have to check it out some more.
I know a guy in Tyler owns a gun shop. I will call him in the morning.
I wonder what the officer was using who took the guy out? The officer who shot him should be commended. Heck all of them should be. Great video.
The Officer that was directly behind him did a good move, drove around and was going to come in to it from the front. I am surprised someone did not drive into him and take him out with a vehicle. Plenty at the scene. I believe in that particular case it was something to be given considerable thought.
Edit..Actually it looks like the lead vehicle who drove to the right and came around front did make contact and the way he positioned himself was going for a run into him position, (great tactics)...
He was shot so quick, when he got out of the car, it was/would be a great training film for all to see. Almost looked like he shot himself? It was so quick.
Tyler Texas has some good police officers, can you even consider the anxiety knowing that this guy has an AK, killed numerous persons and these guys are chasing him like a bunch of bees going for the kill...Wow! Love It!
Talk about heros. What would we do without them??? That kind of mentality is so hard to comprehend...Makes me proud for them. 114 all the way.
Like I say it should be a sticker story. I believe with this website being owned by S.W.A.T. Magazine there should be a particular area for great stories and threads so that all could go to and read.
What do you think Rich???
Regards,
Harley
jimpeel,
This is a great thread it should be stickered and be able to be seen by all.
Thanks for bringing it up and running again.
Very heroic effort by all, it sounds like the fellow Mark Allen Wilson was definitly a hero. He was looking to go out that way by some of the responses from his neighbors. Not all bad.
His cardiologist said he was a good guy.
Had a heart problem? Might have been the way he wanted to go and got the chance.
To bad he did not go for some head shots. I sure would like to know more about this. Eight months ago, I will have to check it out some more.
I know a guy in Tyler owns a gun shop. I will call him in the morning.
I wonder what the officer was using who took the guy out? The officer who shot him should be commended. Heck all of them should be. Great video.
The Officer that was directly behind him did a good move, drove around and was going to come in to it from the front. I am surprised someone did not drive into him and take him out with a vehicle. Plenty at the scene. I believe in that particular case it was something to be given considerable thought.
Edit..Actually it looks like the lead vehicle who drove to the right and came around front did make contact and the way he positioned himself was going for a run into him position, (great tactics)...
He was shot so quick, when he got out of the car, it was/would be a great training film for all to see. Almost looked like he shot himself? It was so quick.
Tyler Texas has some good police officers, can you even consider the anxiety knowing that this guy has an AK, killed numerous persons and these guys are chasing him like a bunch of bees going for the kill...Wow! Love It!
Talk about heros. What would we do without them??? That kind of mentality is so hard to comprehend...Makes me proud for them. 114 all the way.
Like I say it should be a sticker story. I believe with this website being owned by S.W.A.T. Magazine there should be a particular area for great stories and threads so that all could go to and read.
What do you think Rich???
Regards,
Harley
TheeBadOne
Moderator
Harley Quinn
Moderator
Time to revive
Thought I would run this up to the top again and see if we can get anymore
input.
I have attempted to find out more, but has not been working. Everytime I think about it, I make a call, the line is busy. I will try again today.
Harley
Thought I would run this up to the top again and see if we can get anymore
input.
I have attempted to find out more, but has not been working. Everytime I think about it, I make a call, the line is busy. I will try again today.
Harley