Terrorism analysis

What do you think of the article?

  • so wrong its funny

    Votes: 14 34.1%
  • evil liberal propaganda

    Votes: 18 43.9%
  • well maybe ...

    Votes: 8 19.5%
  • yeah, thats it!

    Votes: 1 2.4%

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    41
I think some of you are missing the point. It's not that what they are doing isn't 'evil', but that the US (mainly Bush in his speeches) goes on and on about the 'evil ideology of hate' and totally ignores WHY these people are doing what they are doing. No, they don't hate your freedom. They hate the US government for occupying Muslim land. That doesn't translate to 'we had it coming' either. However, if we ignore our complicity in this turmoil that has spanned decades, we will be caught up in it forever

The point is that that everything the Islamic Fundamentalists stand for is contradicted by Western Cilvilization. The West enjoys freedoms and prosperity while fundametal regimes like the taliban have severe restrictions on freedom and are not prosperous. Kind of hard to sell the program when the folks see western countries enjoying freedon and prosperity. Endgame for the fundamentalists: destruction of Western Civilization and a Islamic Superstate.

we didnt have it coming...we just ignored it for too long.

The Iraqis just want us gone...so they can run thier own show.

If you think the truth is ever going to be told to us...dont hold your breath.

we already have a table for all the excuses for attacking Iraq
 
Terrorism Analysis

After years and years of being forced to listen to the leftist media and often Government hating activists and reactionaries who hate this and that US leadership, I have come to believe strongly that they are as dangerous as the
fruit cake islamic terrorists and insurgents.

Being myself right of Atilla the Hun, I do see that our Government could stand a good bath with strong soap, a weeding out of the "dross" and the US Constitution as it was written and is understood by all but provatuers and activists made as important for study as Math in our schools. I have spoken!
 
The point is that that everything the Islamic Fundamentalists stand for is contradicted by Western Cilvilization. The West enjoys freedoms and prosperity while fundametal regimes like the taliban have severe restrictions on freedom and are not prosperous. Kind of hard to sell the program when the folks see western countries enjoying freedon and prosperity. Endgame for the fundamentalists: destruction of Western Civilization and a Islamic Superstate.

It may be true for the foot soldiers, but people like bin Laden have more money than 99% of Americans. They are not fighting because they hate your freedom or wealth. bin Laden spells it out quite clearly in the interviews he's given, but it's easier for Americans to sit back, turn on the news, crack open a cold one, and let Bush tell them we are fighting against an evil that hates our freedom.
 
There are so many things wrong with this, I can't even begin to cover them all from my own perspective. But from my own experiences, I believe this: When you take a group of people, be it the Iraqis, be it the younger generation of would-be terrorists, be it anyone. Then you look at the fact that what these people believe, what they know, what they understand as the basic fundamentals of society, you have to consider how long and under what conditions they came to see things that way. I'm by no means saying see it from their side, but understand that in their own mind they see it their way and no other way--period. Take the Iraqis for example--Western "intention" is to give them "freedom". But what the hell is that to them? We're basically a nation founded by rebals who faught against oppression and won. It's in our blood to stand up and say "piss off, I'll have my own mind, thank you very much". But for countless generations that was more or less bred out of that entire race of people. Stand up for yourself and get your head removed. They don't even know what the hell our concept of freedom means, much less what to do with it. Might as well give them a lawnmower for all the good it will do short-term. It takes generations to begin any change in such a hard-founded way of thinking, even for the people who actually WANT to see a change made. Same with terrorism. Those who follow such organizations have such a strong mind-set to their beliefs there IS no changing, and there is no solution so long as even one of them still exists with such beliefs. War on Terror? Bull$h1t. It's like trying to rid the world of cockroaches with a flyswatter.
 
1. Terrorism is a political tactic of desperate people, not an “evil” ideology.
The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.” Within this definition, there are three key elements—violence, fear, and intimidation—and each element produces terror in its victims. The FBI uses this: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." The U.S. Department of State defines "terrorism" to be "premeditated politically-motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by sub-national groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.
Terrorism is a tactic, although not necessarily of a desperate people. When someone's grievances are not just, then they have no right to resort to violent measures against the civilian populace. The terrorist/freedom fighter analogy is not apt. The Afghans fighting back against Communist oppression had just grievances, i.e. being slaughtered by Soviet troops at the request of a puppet government installed by the Soviets. When the French Resistance attacked the Vichy government installed by Germany against the will of the French people in WWII, that was just. When Al Qaeda attacked the United States because we had troops that were invited by the host government in Saudi Arabia, that was not just. 60+% of the Iraqi people voting in the election proves that our cause is just.
2. The root cause of present day terrorism is US government foreign policies that sustain the violent occupation of Muslim land and the cruel oppression of millions of marginalized Muslims.
Someone needs to get clearance to read the rules of engagement in Iraq. You can't just blow away anyone you want. Several soldiers have been charged with murder because they didn't understand that. A couple hundred thousand soldiers are not being charged with murder because they did understand. If the Iraqis don't attack us, we won't attack them. Therefore, the insurgents are sustaining the violent occupation of Muslim land, especially when they are importing people that don't want to rebuild the country, but just attack Coalition Forces.
3. Stopping terrorism is futile until these unjust US government policies are stopped.
I'll stand by Marko's comments on this, and I will add that spreading governments by the people, of the people, and for the people is not unjust.
4. Israel is the crux of the problem. US billions and US weapons permit Israel to continue to expand its occupation of Palestinian land and to continue its violent oppression of politically powerless Palestinians.
This would be the same Israel that is having problems from hard-liners within its government because it is pulling out of Palestinian land? Palestine seems to have more political power than the U.S. and Israel combined, judging by the way the votes in the U.N. go. Israel seems to be doing a hell of a job lately going after the leaders who call for violence against the Israeli civilian populace, not the Palestinians themselves.
5. The illegal US invasion of Iraq greatly exacerbates the problem by blatantly validating terrorists’ claims of oppression and violent occupation of Muslim land. This bloody US occupation virtually guarantees Americans and their allies will be targets of violence.
If the terrorists would give us a chance to try and improve their lives instead of attacking us, we might get where we want to be faster and move out of their lands now, wouldn't we?
Terrorism is the product of injustice and can only be stopped by stopping the injustice.
No, terrorism is the product of wanting things a certain way and not getting that way. Unjust desires do not warrant violent attacks against innocent people.
 
I agree entirely with what is the basic overview contained in the first paragraph:

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To understand the war on terror, it helps to compare it to the war on drugs. Both “wars” use the same basic scam: implement government policies GUARANTEED to create a problem and then charge gullible taxpayers billions to fight a “war” against the problem (which of course can’t possibly succeed because the problem is perpetually sustained by the government policies).

I would take issue with some of the specifics of the rest of it, but the basic premise above is entirely correct. It is much worse than just government policies though; it is a form of organized crime that has forced it's way far enough into government circles as to corrupt it thoroughly. This has of course ensured that even the most bizarre and insane policies remain in place - and the show continues.

And I agree with what LAK says above.

The perpetuation of the "war on..." crap is wholly corrupt.
The war on terrorism is a sham because we refuse to actually fight it to the best of our own ability to win it. (One example is allowing ourselves to lose this 'war' by refusing to allow ourselves to 'profile' for likely terrorists amongst us.)

We can argue all day long about why terrorists come to be. Some (like the article's author) say that it's because of U.S. policies. That utterly ignores the fact that muslim governments and tyrants themselves are to blame for the horrific state of life in these countries. THEY force their populations to live in s#!t; it's not America responsible for that.

The part I really agree with is that governments love to pretend to be fighting a problem while at the same time are taking steps that actively and effectively perpetuate that same problem.

Taken to an extreme, some even say that doctors do not wish to find a cure for cancer (or "insert disease here") because to make everyone healthy would put them out of business to the tune of trillions of dollars.

Same goes for the DEA, FBI, CIA, ATF... Do these little lords in their fiefdoms want to eliminate the problems that are the sole reasons for their jobs existing? Nope.

-blackmind
 
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