Terrorism analysis

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  • so wrong its funny

    Votes: 14 34.1%
  • evil liberal propaganda

    Votes: 18 43.9%
  • well maybe ...

    Votes: 8 19.5%
  • yeah, thats it!

    Votes: 1 2.4%

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chorlton

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I found this today. Try to make it through to the end before answering the poll:

Basic nature

To understand the war on terror, it helps to compare it to the war on drugs. Both “wars” use the same basic scam: implement government policies GUARANTEED to create a problem and then charge gullible taxpayers billions to fight a “war” against the problem (which of course can’t possibly succeed because the problem is perpetually sustained by the government policies).

As long as US government prohibition policies guarantee massive drug profits to millions around the world, the war on drugs will remain an expensive, endless exercise in futility. Similarly, as long as US government foreign policies guarantee massive suffering to millions of Muslims around the world (who have little economic, military or political power) the war on terror will remain an expensive, endless exercise in futility.

Any success eliminating individual terrorists (or drug dealers) merely creates job openings for a long line of eager applicants. If the incentive remains, replacements will line up. In fact, eliminating individual terrorists (or drug dealers) is worse than ineffective. Like natural selection, it tends to weed out the weaker, less ruthless, less efficient in favor of stronger, more ruthless, more efficient replacements.

Sustained by big lies

Aside from politically weak scapegoat “enemies”, both “war” scams require a servile media to spread the lies that fool the gullible masses. The inherently futile war on terror is no more a war against terror than the inherently futile war on drugs is a war against drugs. In fact, both wars absolutely guarantee MORE of what each purports to fight. The real enemies in both wars are living breathing human beings who have been unjustly demonized and marginalized and thus have very little political power to fight back.

Big lies and a servile media are needed to convince the masses that certain people are “criminals” (to be jailed like rapists and murderers) if they claim sovereignty over their own bodies and use drugs less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Similarly, big lies and a servile media are needed to convince the masses that certain people are inherently “evil” and resort to acts of terror because they hate our freedoms or hate our lifestyles--even though they’ve made it perfectly clear (in public statements) it’s US government foreign policies they hate.

Big lies and a servile media are needed to hide the fact that the US government continues its long history of supporting ruthless regimes that oppress millions of politically weak Muslims. Big lies and a servile media are needed to convince the masses that cutting off the heads of innocents with knives and NOT hiding the horror from the public is called “terrorism”, but cutting off the heads of innocents with smart bombs and HIDING the horror from the public is called “spreading democracy”.

Stopping terrorism

The only way to stop terrorism is to expose the “war on terror” as another very dangerous US government “war” scam. The servile mainstream media must be exposed as complicit in this scam and bypassed to get the truth out to the people:

1. Terrorism is a political tactic of desperate people, not an “evil” ideology.

2. The root cause of present day terrorism is US government foreign policies that sustain the violent occupation of Muslim land and the cruel oppression of millions of marginalized Muslims.

3. Stopping terrorism is futile until these unjust US government policies are stopped.

4. Israel is the crux of the problem. US billions and US weapons permit Israel to continue to expand its occupation of Palestinian land and to continue its violent oppression of politically powerless Palestinians.

5. The illegal US invasion of Iraq greatly exacerbates the problem by blatantly validating terrorists’ claims of oppression and violent occupation of Muslim land. This bloody US occupation virtually guarantees Americans and their allies will be targets of violence.

The war on terror escalates violence against people who are already violently protesting the violence against them. This can only further validate and further solidify their cause. Violence breeds violence.

Terrorism is the product of injustice and can only be stopped by stopping the injustice.
 
1. Terrorism is a political tactic of desperate people, not an “evil” ideology.

Horse dung. Mass murder is not a "political tactic", regardless of the desperation of the ones committing it. Any legitimate grievances of terrorists are null and void as soon as they resort to killing innocents to make a point. You cannot have political discourse with someone who is willing to use force on you if they can't get their way by reason alone.

2. The root cause of present day terrorism is US government foreign policies that sustain the violent occupation of Muslim land and the cruel oppression of millions of marginalized Muslims.

Most oppressed Muslims are oppressed and marginalized by their own governments. Ironically, the most cruelly oppressed Muslims in the Middle East, the Afghans living under Taliban rule, are no longer oppressed precisely because of the "evil" United States.

3. Stopping terrorism is futile until these unjust US government policies are stopped.

The first four words are on the money, the rest is ideological campus blather. Terrorism, the use of force against innocents to gain political or social concessions, is as old as humanity, and will always be around. You cannot stop terrorism, but you can sure as hell try to stop individual terrorists.

4. Israel is the crux of the problem. US billions and US weapons permit Israel to continue to expand its occupation of Palestinian land and to continue its violent oppression of politically powerless Palestinians.

While I agree that we have no business giving American tax money to Israel in any form, the "occupation" rhetoric discredits the whole article and betrays the political bias of the author. In "Palestine", things are not as black and white as they seem. Israel is not the white knight of the Middle East, but they are not committed to the destruction of their neighbors like the surrounding states (when that neighbor is Israel). Again, how do you compromise with people whose declared goal is the complete eradication of your country and people?

5. The illegal US invasion of Iraq greatly exacerbates the problem by blatantly validating terrorists’ claims of oppression and violent occupation of Muslim land. This bloody US occupation virtually guarantees Americans and their allies will be targets of violence.

I am against the Iraq adventure for numerous reasons, and this paragraph comes closests to touching on a few of them, but the occupation is "bloody" only because one side is committed to indiscriminate killing of soldier and civilian, American and Iraqi alike, not caring who gets killed along the way. That side is not the United States.

The "insurgency" has cost far more Iraqi lives than American ones. If the "insurgents" are so concerned with the welfare and liberty of their Muslim brothers from American oppression, they have a funny way of showing that concern.

Conclusion: campus commie rhetoric, regurgitating that Israel and the United States are the sources of all the evil in the world. The insinuation that people who deliberately target civilians and who cut the heads off (mostly civilian) prisoners are just "desperate people" who exercise a legit "political tactic" is laughable and insulting to anyone with an IQ above that of a garden snail.
 
The article has an obvious anti-Isreal pro-Muslim bias to it, but much of what is said is true. The US government (and not the people) has for decades been playing a dangerous game of foreign police and until we realize that we are not the keeper of the world these radicals will use guerilla tactics against us because they do not have an army we can defeat. We will continue to bomb them and take out their leaders, and they will continue to generate new leaders and kill citizens and soldiers with bombs and other improvised destructive techniques. Every time we kill an innocent Mulsim with our bombs, hundreds more will join their cause. Every time they kill our innocents, our government will react and bomb them some more. It is a lose-lose situation.
 
I don't agree with the politics per se, but the basic comparison of two wars that aren't is sound.


Marko, what is the difference between dropping bombs on civilian areas and using car bombs? My understanding of the tactics of late WWII America was to "break the spirit" of Germany and Japan, rather than attacking purely military or production targets.

It doesn't seem like a very clear distinction.


I just think it's strange that anyone would expect the opponents of the US or Israel, two of the most capable militaries on earth, to "fight fair".



The stupidest thing about terrorism is that it historically doesn't work.
 
Think "we had it coming?" GFY!!

Stopping terrorism is futile until these unjust US government policies are stopped.

This is bull$hit - liberal, Demosocialist bull$hit based on the "we had it coming" school of thought. Go to www.michaelsavage.com -watch the video clips of bound, helpless human beings begging and screaming in terror as Muslim terrorists cut their heads off; watch the bound, helpless victims struggle and scream in agony. Watch these video clips - all of them - and then try to tell yourself that these subhuman creatures are not evil.

Stopping terrorism is futile until these unjust US government policies are stopped.

Again, liberal, demosocialist bull$hit; according to this school of "thought," everything America does is unjust.

It is both revealing and intriguing that none of this brainless garbage was heard during the eight year long debacle of Clinton's autocratic rule.

Israel is the crux of the problem.
So according to this viewpoint, the United States of America must choose its allies only after begging the approval of every petty tyrant, every group of thugs, every terrorist group and every psychotic religious extremist leader walking the face of the earth.

Again, liberal Demosocialist bull$hit.

Terrorism is the product of injustice and can only be stopped by stopping the injustice.
Of course, only AMERICA commits injustice -
NOT the murdering psycho thugs who flew jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers;
NOT the subhuman animals who cut the heads off of living human beings;
NOT the terrorists who make roadside bombs to kill our soldiers;
NOT the suicide bombers who blow up innocent human beings in Israel and London;
NOT Sadaam Hussein, who murdered his way to power and lived like a god while his citizens lived in abject poverty;
NOT Hussein's sons, who amused themselves by raping, beating and murdering the innocent people of Iraq.

That's right folks - ONLY America commits injustice; AMERICA is the source of all injustice and human suffering in the world today.

If that's what you think, GFY - you are a complete and total moron. If that's what you think, try living in a Muslim country since Muslims can do no wrong in your book; why would you want to live in such a heartless, hateful place like America?? :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
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What do you think of the article?

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So, if anyone can respond without resorting to vulgarities...
What were the French Resistance? (Does that come down to the old terrorist/freedom fighter thing again?)
And the IRA? When US citizens were funding them, were they evil? Or were they desperate people?
 
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btw, I've seen those videos and many others around the world from different conflicts dating back to the early 1900's. Are you afraid of recognising them as humans? There is no such thing as evil. Its just a way of seperating yourself from those groups. Its in all of us, and you just need to admit it. How about the tricks they used to pull on people down south because of the color of their skin?
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/LA-Lynching9.html
There will always be wars and terrorism and atrocities, because humans can't stop themselves. Thats just the way it is and always will be.
 
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There is no such thing as evil.

And this is where we disagree...

So, I'm a bit unclear... you're in support of this article? So... if terrorism isn't evil, is it permissible? Just a political tactic?
 
I havent stated if I am for or against (or *gasp* somewhere in the middle). I posted a poll as a way of conducting my own research into public opinion.
I went into detail on the subject of "evil" in my previous post.
Is terrorism permissible? Was it for the other groups I mentioned? I think it comes down to wwhich side you're on as to how you answer that. Evil? No, just human.
 
This is poorly written for sure and the premise is a bit off (eg. the planes flying into the WTC in NYC weren't lies or propaganda) the pertpetuity of both "wars" is quite similar because like the drug war you will never convince the enemy that we're not worth attacking and we don't have the balls to kill them all.

Other than that it's Libertarian hysteria.
 
The roots were formed in 1916. The problem is the lack of respect on both sides and an unwillingness to consider the other side at all. Compromise is not what is needed. The Muslim world demands restoration and death of infidels. Israel would not exist as it never has existed according to muslims. The Ottoman Empire cannot be restored. The west is viewed as an invader and has been an invader since oil was discovered.
 
I agree entirely with what is the basic overview contained in the first paragraph:
To understand the war on terror, it helps to compare it to the war on drugs. Both “wars” use the same basic scam: implement government policies GUARANTEED to create a problem and then charge gullible taxpayers billions to fight a “war” against the problem (which of course can’t possibly succeed because the problem is perpetually sustained by the government policies).
I would take issue with some of the specifics of the rest of it, but the basic premise above is entirely correct. It is much worse than just government policies though; it is a form of organized crime that has forced it's way far enough into government circles as to corrupt it thoroughly. This has of course ensured that even the most bizarre and insane policies remain in place - and the show continues.
 
Evil is a cultural label for wrong. There is such a thing as good/bad right/wrong... To say there is no such thing as evil, I would ask you to look at any serial killer? Maybe again, evil is just a cultural - or maybe theological label for criminaly insane?

Heh, I had a teacher one time state that terrorism founded the United States, things like the Boston tea party and so on.

All I know is that many Muslims do not condone the acts of the extremists that blow stuff up. Terrorism as it is occuring in the Middle East is wrong, from my perspective.

The invasion and destruction of the Taliban in Afganistan was legit. I dont agree with our invasion of Iraq, that said, once the morons funding and pushing the insurgents finally give up, the people of Iraq will have a better life then they ever had...

There will always be wars and terrorism and atrocities, because humans can't stop themselves. Thats just the way it is and always will be.

So are people as a group stupid, or is it just the individuals? Where is this "article" from or what is it for?
 
To fight terrorism you would have to use unconveentional and convential military, have to include social reform and economic means also. These terrorists are grown in the same regimes that we claim as allies as Mr. Kloos said. Israel is a democratic nation. Israel is conviently used as a whipping post by those oppresive regimes to take the pressure off them. They say that the Israelis are responsible for all the bad things......lol. I personally dont think the oppresive regimes want a free and democratic Palestine either. As long as that pot can be stirred it will. If we broke out the microscope and take a good close look we might find out the oppresive regimes( our allies) are stirring the pot because they do not want democracy in any form or fashion.
 
I think some of you are missing the point. It's not that what they are doing isn't 'evil', but that the US (mainly Bush in his speeches) goes on and on about the 'evil ideology of hate' and totally ignores WHY these people are doing what they are doing. No, they don't hate your freedom. They hate the US government for occupying Muslim land. That doesn't translate to 'we had it coming' either. However, if we ignore our complicity in this turmoil that has spanned decades, we will be caught up in it forever.
 
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