Termination for Self-Defense
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Samurai Penguin,
Lonnie Wilson beat me to it, but it is worth repeating: can you cite the specific code, chapter and verse? As a driver, I have scoured the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration rule book, both the little green book published by J.J. Keller, and the online site at http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsrhome.htm and hav queried inspectors in five states without finding white black-and-white of it. Would very much appreciate a citation.
Huck
Lonnie Wilson beat me to it, but it is worth repeating: can you cite the specific code, chapter and verse? As a driver, I have scoured the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration rule book, both the little green book published by J.J. Keller, and the online site at http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsrhome.htm and hav queried inspectors in five states without finding white black-and-white of it. Would very much appreciate a citation.
Huck
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Yet another inflammatory thread title. :barf: In NO WAY was the delivery man fired for self defense. The thread title gives the impression that this guy was fired for doing something completely natural and legal, defending oneself. That is NOT the case. He was fired for having a gun during work. It is that plain and simple. He knew the rules and knew his job was potentially dangerous. He apparently carried concealed such that his employer and customers never knew he was packing. Then, when the time came that he did need to defend himself, he produced the gun and dispated the bad guy. He was not fired for self defense, but it was the act of self defense that resulted in his producing a gun and it then being publically know that he carried while at work and so he was fired for the rule violation.
Tamara has it right in regard to attitude at her convenience store job. She carried every day and expected to be fired if discovered. Of course, the only way she, or the pizza guy, was going to get discovered is if it was via an event that resulted in the gun being drawn. Simply put, it was a condition of employment that the employees not carry guns. Violate the condition and expect to lose a job. If you don't agree with the policy and feel you should not be terminated for a policy you don't agree with, then don't take a job that doesn't allow you to carry. It is a very simple concept.
Tamara has it right in regard to attitude at her convenience store job. She carried every day and expected to be fired if discovered. Of course, the only way she, or the pizza guy, was going to get discovered is if it was via an event that resulted in the gun being drawn. Simply put, it was a condition of employment that the employees not carry guns. Violate the condition and expect to lose a job. If you don't agree with the policy and feel you should not be terminated for a policy you don't agree with, then don't take a job that doesn't allow you to carry. It is a very simple concept.
Pizza deliveryman won't be charged
A pizza deliveryman who killed an armed man who was trying to rob him will not face criminal charges, the Marion County Prosecutor's office announced today.
"It's a clear case of self-defense," Deputy Prosecutor Barb Crawford said. "He did what the law allows him to do to protect himself."
Ronald B. Honeycutt, 38, Carmel, shot Jerome Brown-Dancler, 20, 9500 block of East 39th Place, more than a dozen times on May 17.
The evidence shows that Brown-Dancler pointed a 9mm handgun at Honeycutt, who had had just finished making a delivery about 11 p.m. in the 3600 block of Long Wharf Drive on the Far Eastside.
Brown-Dancler's gun was loaded with 14 rounds, but had no bullet in the chamber, Crawford said. Honeycutt produced his own 9mm and fired until it was empty.
After the shooting, Honeycutt told The Star he was just getting into his van when Brown-Dancler appeared to go for a gun.
Honeycutt kept shooting after the would-be robber hit the ground, evidence shows. He took the man's gun, fearing it might be stolen if it was left with the body. He got in his van, drove to the Pizza Hut Restaurant where he worked and told his manager to call police, Crawford said.
"This was late at night. This was a high-crime area," Crawford said. "He left because he wasn't sure whether or not Brown-Dancler had any friends with him. As it turns out, he did indeed have friends with him. They left when they heard shots fired."
Police found both guns in Honeycutt's van.
Honeycutt says he fired 15 shots, but Crawford said the medical evidence cannot determine how many times Brown-Dancler was hit. The evidence shows only that he was shot more than 10 but less than 15 times, Crawford said.
Honeycutt said he was fired from his job at Pizza Hut because he had violated the firm's policy against carrying a gun.
A pizza deliveryman who killed an armed man who was trying to rob him will not face criminal charges, the Marion County Prosecutor's office announced today.
"It's a clear case of self-defense," Deputy Prosecutor Barb Crawford said. "He did what the law allows him to do to protect himself."
Ronald B. Honeycutt, 38, Carmel, shot Jerome Brown-Dancler, 20, 9500 block of East 39th Place, more than a dozen times on May 17.
The evidence shows that Brown-Dancler pointed a 9mm handgun at Honeycutt, who had had just finished making a delivery about 11 p.m. in the 3600 block of Long Wharf Drive on the Far Eastside.
Brown-Dancler's gun was loaded with 14 rounds, but had no bullet in the chamber, Crawford said. Honeycutt produced his own 9mm and fired until it was empty.
After the shooting, Honeycutt told The Star he was just getting into his van when Brown-Dancler appeared to go for a gun.
Honeycutt kept shooting after the would-be robber hit the ground, evidence shows. He took the man's gun, fearing it might be stolen if it was left with the body. He got in his van, drove to the Pizza Hut Restaurant where he worked and told his manager to call police, Crawford said.
"This was late at night. This was a high-crime area," Crawford said. "He left because he wasn't sure whether or not Brown-Dancler had any friends with him. As it turns out, he did indeed have friends with him. They left when they heard shots fired."
Police found both guns in Honeycutt's van.
Honeycutt says he fired 15 shots, but Crawford said the medical evidence cannot determine how many times Brown-Dancler was hit. The evidence shows only that he was shot more than 10 but less than 15 times, Crawford said.
Honeycutt said he was fired from his job at Pizza Hut because he had violated the firm's policy against carrying a gun.
Note that this story was on the same day. Another guy "messing around" with a shotgun. I wonder if the fact he was appropriately named "Doobs" had anything to do with it? 
http://www.theindychannel.com/video/3345894/detail.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/video/3345894/detail.html