Tennessee's response to shootings: allow CCW in public places.

I said earlier, when students venture into certain parts of town they should be required to have a weapon. I don't mind people being armed just not in classrooms. As for my own decision, it made me nervous when cops wanted to chat about the speed limit and also worring about it being stolen. And the one time I thought I needed a weapon I didn't have one so I was forced to use the hemorroid on my neck instead. And by doing so, one person is still around and the other never had to explain things to the DA.
 
I don't mind people being armed just not in classrooms.
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Unfortunately Mr. Cho did not seem to care that you "mided" people being armed in classrooms.

As for my own decision, it made me nervous when cops wanted to chat about the speed limit and also worring about it being stolen.
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That is your decision. Apparently your gun must have a tendancy to jump out of its holster and bite people. Mine has never exhibited similar behaviour. That you have a deep seated fealing of guilt for carrying a weapon (your discomfort with LEOs) is a personal issue not shared by most law abiding people who have learned to carry responsibly. If you don't want to carry that is your right, but don't tell me I can't because you have personal issues preventing you from doing so.

And the one time I thought I needed a weapon I didn't so I was forced to use the hemorroid on my neck instead. And by doing so, one person is still around and the other never had to explain things to the DA.
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Good. I am glad you didn't need to use it. I have had two very close calls. In one (deranged biker / road rage incident) I also was able to use my head to get out of it without the gun coming into play. Being trapped in traffic and unable to escape I was luckily able to placate the thug who then went on his way. If I couldn't talk my way out of it I at least knew I was not going to have to allow myself to be beaten to a pulp in the street by a nut twice my size.

In the second there really wasn't an opportuntity to escape or placate the person trying to carjack/kidnap me. The prescence of a S&W model 36 though served admirably in changing his mind without my having to shoot him (which I would have done without hessitation if the situation had continued).

Perhap you could advise the families of the dead VT students and faculty how they should have used the hemoroids on their necks to get out of the situation when Cho had chained the doors and was executing students with no viable opposition.

I am not saying let high school kids CCW. But any faculty who is permitte d by law to CCW elsewhere should be able to do so at school. Likewise any students who qualify in their state to CCW should be allowed to do so. Why is their right to carry any different in a school than it is in a crowded restaurant, a city bus, or a packed theater?
 
Even though I own plenty, I no longer keep one in my vehicle because I decided it would create more problems than it would solve and some of my property is in not so nice areas of town.
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Nothing wrong with bucking the mainstream at times, but I assume you understand this site is populated mostly by people that think CCW is an acceptable practice. If you are not comfortable with CCW then you should not carry. I guess my only comment is that your position seems more in line with the anti-gun lobby sites I have read.....but again you have a right to your views.
 
If I didn't think it was acceptable I'd turn in my own permit and I could not care less who my views are in line with. I don't follow PC to the left or right. I'm going to do what I think is smart as I expect others to.
 
targetshootr

I don't know any responsible person with a CCW who doesn't "use the hemorroid" on his neck. Perhaps your faculties of reason evaporate when your hand grasps a gun, mine do not.

Let me assure you that people are taking guns into classrooms all over this country, some legally and some not. Your personal fears are irrelevant to the reality that guns are in classrooms. Frankly, it doesn't matter if you feel unsafe, it only matter if you are unsafe and the data objectively demonstrate that allowing responsible adults to carry hand guns for self defense reduces the instances of violent crimes within our society. If you allow your personal fears, your emotions, or your feelings to dictate you behavior instead of living a rational life, then I pity you. Are you only an animal that acts out of instinct or are you a man whose actions are governed by the intellect, you know... that "hemorroid" on your neck?

Richard
 
Well, I've made it this long so I must be doing something right. However unpopular it may be, it seems to be working so I advise myself to keep it up.
 
I had a choice to apply for a carry permit which I decided to do. But I also have the choice to go or not go where people are toting guns, legally or otherwise.
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However, if you are carrying a firearm, wherever you go there will be a person with a firearm in the crowd.

You have chosen to expose those who feel as you do to the very "problem" you, yourself, fear. How can you, in good conscience, do that to other people -- removing their "choice" -- while demanding that others refrain from same for your benefit?
 
Let me toss another idea out there. I already know how it's likely to be received. :rolleyes:

What about CCW with classes or levels like driver's licenses? For instance, with a 'regular' CWP, you can legally carry as you do now. With a 'Class B' license you could also carry into public buildings, schools, etc. With a 'class C' license, employees in schools and public buildings could also keep rifles or shotguns accessible at work.

Level B would require a higher level of training (Military, Leo, Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, etc.) It would also require recurrent training and qualification as well as a retention holster for daily carry.

Level C would require specialized training with tactical rifle and shotgun. One would be required to keep the weapon secured (but accessible) when on campus.

I know most of us believe we should have those rights anyway but I don't think we'll ever really get what we want without some compromise. Of course, those who want the higher level licenses would be responsible for providing their own weapon, training, holster and secure storage.
 
lockedcj7

while it may not be politically palatable, you don't want any kind of regulation or restriction outside of gun ownership requirement (can't be a felon).

Pre-1960 and before NFA, when people can own/buy/sell guns w/o FFL, including full auto, w/o any restriction. In many instances, people carried it w/o CHL/CCW requirement.

In WWII, there was many instances of underaged enlistees who fought with distinction and responsibility on battlefield.

I've read of cases where children and women defended themselves and their family when gun access was available.

Right to defend one's self is among the most fundamental of all rights that should not be taken away based on age or training or other qualification short of felony IMHO.

--John
 
In many court decisions it has been ruled that the state has no duty to protect individuals. If the state has no duty and as we have seen at VT they can not protect everybody citizens should have the right to make that choice in accordance with the law that places reasonable limitation on allowing them to carry a firearm.
 
Well, I've made it this long so I must be doing something right. However unpopular it may be, it seems to be working so I advise myself to keep it up.
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targetshootr,

The fact that you have "made it this long" does not in anyway support your assertion that you "must be doing something right" as the normal and most probable outcome in our society is to live a long and peaceful life without ever being the victim of murder. Most people do exactly that.

Your thinking is analogous to a man playing Russian roulette who concludes that he is doing something right because he has depressed the trigger five times without any negative consequences. More significantly, an individuals own anecdotal experiences, however important to the person in question, are of little consequence when trying to do what is "smart". The smart person does not assume that his own experiences are predictive or indicative of what other people have or will experience.

The vast majority of students go to classes and eventual graduate without ever having to defend their lives. Some few get murdered by guns in "gun free" schools during English class, now that is oxymoronic. The data are clear that allowing responsible adults to have guns decreases the number of violent crimes, including murder. It is rational to think that allowing those same people to also carry their guns into schools will have the same beneficial impact on violent crimes as it has had in other environs. You may, from your personal experience, not "feel" that this is correct, you might not find this to be intuitive, but your personal experience are truly not important other then as a datum to be given no more significance than the experiences of any other individual. Your cognitive and attributional biases are a poor basis on which to formulate our government policies toward guns.

If you honestly desire to do what is smart instead of just what you "...think is smart...", you need to step beyond your own personal experiences, consider the evidence objectively, and then comport your views and your behaviors such that they conforms to reality instead of relying on your own anecdotal experiences. You must reason.

Best Regards,
Richard
 
targetshootr,

Do you feel like a salmon swimming upstream? I’m sorry you have so little faith and trust in your fellow “bipeds.” I like to be around people who are legally armed as that means I’ll have assistance if it is truly needed.

I have a soon-to-be 21 year-old Eagle Scout son who will attend a state university next fall. If I knew he had a choice of attending a school that allowed his fellow students and profs to be CC then that's the school I'd want him to attend. We live in a CCW-friendly county and he wants to get his but age will most likely work against him. He does plan to get his Nevada CCW because they HAVE to give it to him. (Not that will do him much good here in CA, but at least he'll have one.) I am encouraging him to this because I know he has a good head on his shoulders and would not act unreasonably. He shoots with me and my friends in regular competition and is well-respected for his safety and abilities, in that order. He is exactly who we want around when things go awry.


As a side note, I took gunsmithing classes at Brea High School through the adult ed program some 15+ years ago. The wood shop was awash with firearms and it was glorious. :D
 
You're exactly right, I don't trust people in general and I'm especially leary of anyone I don't know who has a weapon. Even though I own plenty, I no longer keep one in my vehicle because I decided it would create more problems than it would solve and some of my property is in not so nice areas of town.
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So what you're saying is that you're the only one that deserves protection? Are you the only one that should be armed? You claim that you have a permit but don't keep one around because it creates problems? I'm not following your logic. What problems do you think a law abiding CCW would create anyway?

It never ceases to amaze me that we can have a lunatic running around capmus killing people and other people still call for disarming victims and potential victims.
 
It appears a few of us have been to school with guns. That kinda dispells targetshootrs little rant about this never being permitted/happening, hmmm?
 
Didn't read the whole thing but:

THANKS FOR SENDING THE NEXT SHOOTER TO ONE OF THE NUMEROUS PRIVATE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. :mad:

I opine that the laws should be changed to abolish the right of any location open to the public to ban CCW except for techincal reason.

I don't buy the ultra conservative my property rights blather. You are open to the public.

If you are a castle, stop asking for the police and firemen to come to your castle, manse or domain. Have you serfs, knights and lords come protect you.

Very few institutions will change on their own. In TX, the business association is raving against a parking lot law to stop bans for employees.

Hey, I thought business was run by right wing true blue conservatives who aren't liberals or socialists. What happened, right wing guys to that?

Rant off - bye, bye.
 
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