I assume you're referencing one sample SIG pistol that was tested. It's been my experience that, within the relevant price parameters (apples to apples), nobody makes a better finished, more accurate, more reliable 1911 pistol than SIG does. Then there's the lifetime warranty.
Tell me about the S&W Performance center and PC1911
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I assume you're referencing one sample SIG pistol that was tested. It's been my experience that, within the relevant price parameters (apples to apples), nobody makes a better finished, more accurate, more reliable 1911 pistol than SIG does. Then there's the lifetime warranty.
I expected better from the top SIG. Has anyone on this forum done any bench rested shooting too test a new sig 1911T or try different loadings.
Something like this, 1911T-45 only $1k, great price. Maybe too good.
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/c...al-match-elite-pistol-45acp-5in-8rd-two-tone/
here is a review Match Elite 9mm, average of 1.75 inch with the best ammo. it is a 9mm. Promising results.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...omp-ready-9mm-pistol/#sig-sauer-match-elite-1
I am not finding either of these listed as a current model on the SIG website.
Something like this, 1911T-45 only $1k, great price. Maybe too good.
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/c...al-match-elite-pistol-45acp-5in-8rd-two-tone/
here is a review Match Elite 9mm, average of 1.75 inch with the best ammo. it is a 9mm. Promising results.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...omp-ready-9mm-pistol/#sig-sauer-match-elite-1
I am not finding either of these listed as a current model on the SIG website.
straightshooterjake
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There are lots of games and disciplines that require an accurate pistol. But the accuracy expected from a target pistol for bullseye shooting is on a different level. You really want a gun that will shoot 3" at 50 yards or very close to that. Generally, only guns that are built and sold for bullseye shooting will meet this standard. These guns will typically be sold with an accuracy guarantee and/or a test target.
Guns with "match," or "target," or "competition" in their names generally will not meet this standard. Guns will either say "guaranteed 1.5 inches at 25 yards," or they won't quite be good enough for bullseye. Ideally, the test groups should be 10 shot groups.
Most centerfire semi-autos that are really target accurate are from custom shops and cost over $2000. Some of the older S&W Performance center guns that have been mentioned in this thread are truly accurate, but none of them are still in production.
One possibility that sometimes works is to find an up and coming 1911 gunsmith in your area that is well recommended. Find out what base gun he recommends, and then have it worked on. An $800 base gun, plus a hand fit match barrel and bushing, trigger job, and other minor work might get you around $1500 for a tight and partly hand fit gun. It takes the right guy to do this work, but it may produce a gun that is more accurate than a production gun at the same price.
Guns with "match," or "target," or "competition" in their names generally will not meet this standard. Guns will either say "guaranteed 1.5 inches at 25 yards," or they won't quite be good enough for bullseye. Ideally, the test groups should be 10 shot groups.
Most centerfire semi-autos that are really target accurate are from custom shops and cost over $2000. Some of the older S&W Performance center guns that have been mentioned in this thread are truly accurate, but none of them are still in production.
One possibility that sometimes works is to find an up and coming 1911 gunsmith in your area that is well recommended. Find out what base gun he recommends, and then have it worked on. An $800 base gun, plus a hand fit match barrel and bushing, trigger job, and other minor work might get you around $1500 for a tight and partly hand fit gun. It takes the right guy to do this work, but it may produce a gun that is more accurate than a production gun at the same price.
Les Baer makes terrific and very accurate 1911 pistols. And there are some that he sells with a 1.5" at 50yd guarantee. Interesting part is... he does NOTHING different on those pistols. He simply builds them the way they build them and in the test phase, SOME produce slightly better accuracy results. When they do, it is offered as one of the 1.5" guns.
For under $2,500 grab one of those.
For under $2,500 grab one of those.
I think the most dependable accuracy you can find in a lower-end priced production 1911 will be the Springfield Range Officer. The bullseye guys routinely recommend the Range Officer as a low-cost place to start and also as a decent base from which to build a bullseye pistol with some work. You'll be running for well under a thousand with that and you get good target sights also.
Bac1023,
How do you disagree?? I stated and you quoted my statement, that these two guns shoot as good as or better than my Dan Wessons, and they do, you state you disagree with that yet go on to talk anout something else completely unrelated.
Have you shot these five guns specifically? Not talking about the same models, im talking these guns specifically? I have, bench rested and on paper and ill stand by my statement.
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Sorry. I don't disagree with your results. I disagree with the new "PC" 1911's having any more handfitting or being more accurate than the current production E Series guns. I could see a standard E Series shooting as well as a Dan Wesson, quite frankly.
Do you have any experience with older PC 1911's or older PC autos?
Do you have any experience with older PC 1911's or older PC autos?
In Performance Center guns, buy the guns made prior to 2003. They were hand crafted masterpieces.
In 1911s, go with the Dan Wesson. They are made with the attention to detail and craftsmanship of the old Performance Center.
Sadly, todays "Performance Center" is simply a famous rollmark and some cosmetics added to a standard production gun. The "Performance Center" is simply another production line in the main factory of the current company calling itself s&w. Regards 18DAI
In 1911s, go with the Dan Wesson. They are made with the attention to detail and craftsmanship of the old Performance Center.
Sadly, todays "Performance Center" is simply a famous rollmark and some cosmetics added to a standard production gun. The "Performance Center" is simply another production line in the main factory of the current company calling itself s&w. Regards 18DAI