FoghornLeghorn
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Does that sound about right?
Why?Metal god said:Yep and no heavy for cartridge bullets . No 147's in 9mm , no 180's in 357 , I only go up to 200gr in 45acp etc .
Originally posted by Aquila Blanca
The Hodgdon web site has data for 230-grain projectiles in .45 ACP
Same reason most are hesitant to use Titegroup in the first place . My statement was not to say it can't be done only that IMHO you shouldn't or at least take caution when using heavy for cartridge bullets . It's very energetic and gets what I call squirrely when pushed hard . It's a burn rate thing really IMO , meaning it burns fast and heavy for cartridge bullets don't get out of the way fast enough . The large bore cartridges are more forgiving for sure because the farther the bullet travels down the bore the more volume of space behind it there is for those fast expanding gases to fill .
However there just seems to be less forgiveness once titegroup hits it's peak/max pressures and if that heavy for cartridge bullet refuses to get out of the way fast enough squirrely things start to happen .
EDIT : Go look at Hodgden's website at the 9mm 147gr load . there's a .4gr difference from start to max and only like a 75fps difference . That is a very small window to be playing with . That's the type of load you simple choose the middle charge because your throws can and will likely swing you into the low and high ends of the allowable charge range . No thank you , not going there with Titgroup . With other powders sure but Titegroup for me I’m staying at or below mid range charges especially in high pressure cartridge.
Can you point me to pressure tested data for Titegroup that supports your claim? Thank you.
Nope , sorry all based on experience and water cooler talk .
but plinking loads with the 40, 38, 357, 44 mag are mostly TG.
Cartridge : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet : .358, 158, LEE 358-158-RF
Useable Case Capaci: 16.813 grain H2O = 1.092 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.555 inch = 39.50 mm
Barrel Length : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon TiteGroup
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-50.0 24 3.00 721 182 9329 1906 100.0 1.098
-41.7 28 3.50 795 222 12079 2176 100.0 0.979
-33.3 32 4.00 863 262 15156 2445 100.0 0.875
-25.0 36 4.50 927 301 18556 2712 100.0 0.794
-16.7 40 5.00 987 342 22276 2977 100.0 0.729
-08.3 44 5.50 1044 382 26321 3239 100.0 0.676
Cartridge : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet : .358, 125, LEE 358-125-RF
Useable Case Capaci: 20.103 grain H2O = 1.305 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon TiteGroup
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-50.0 20 3.00 737 151 6740 2027 99.3 1.111
-41.7 23 3.50 823 188 8685 2327 100.0 0.992
-33.3 26 4.00 900 225 10867 2605 100.0 0.899
-25.0 30 4.50 971 262 13281 2882 100.0 0.817
-16.7 33 5.00 1037 299 15922 3157 100.0 0.746
-08.3 36 5.50 1100 336 18790 3431 100.0 0.688
+00.0 40 6.00 1160 373 21883 3702 100.0 0.639
+08.3 43 6.50 1217 411 25206 3970 100.0 0.598
+16.7 46 7.00 1271 449 28760 4236 100.0 0.563
Cartridge : .44 Rem. Mag. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .429, 214, LEE 429-214-SWC
Useable Case Capaci: 27.610 grain H2O = 1.793 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.610 inch = 40.89 mm
Barrel Length : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon TiteGroup
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-37.5 24 5.00 785 293 9930 2191 100.0 1.031
-31.3 27 5.50 834 331 11642 2380 100.0 0.961
-25.0 29 6.00 881 368 13477 2568 100.0 0.894
-18.8 31 6.50 925 406 15434 2755 100.0 0.836
-12.5 34 7.00 967 444 17512 2941 100.0 0.786
-06.3 36 7.50 1008 483 19710 3127 100.0 0.743
+00.0 39 8.00 1047 521 22029 3311 100.0 0.705
+06.3 41 8.50 1085 560 24468 3494 100.0 0.671
+12.5 43 9.00 1122 599 27028 3676 100.0 0.641
So there's no reason to believe it.
+1 on that . Never understood folks spreading speculation on the internet . This gets proven here everyday, some folks only know what they have read and if they believe what they read misinformation gets spread and even worse gets embellished and soon it's even more BS . Kinda like the guy at work farting , by the time the story reaches the third person he crapped his pants .So there's no reason to believe it.
hmm interesting way to look at it and I'd have to say the short answer is yes , but should it be so easily dismissed
+1 on that . Never understood folks spreading speculation on the internet . This gets proven here everyday, some folks only know what they have read and if they believe what they read misinformation gets spread and even worse gets embellished and soon it's even more BS . Kinda like the guy at work farting , by the time the story reaches the third person he crapped his pants .