Ted Nugent on FoxNews

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In a couple of minutes Ted will be talking about RKBA on The Edge on Fox News


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"If we go on waiting upon events, how much shall we throw away our resources now available for our security"

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I am watching it now. That dumb B*tch paula zahn looks is acting like a referee. I do love ted, but him wearing the cammies doesn't really paint gun owners in a pretty picture.

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Yeah he is not the best looking advocate for the RKBA folks. And that idiot had to get the last word.

"I want a safe community"

How you idiot, are you going to come live in my house and absorb bullets for my family. hey if your in Kali you only need to absorb 10, oh wait criminals don't obey gun laws.

Paula did okay, but the story prior to the debate pissed me off.

I love it though, A bullet cannot come out of plastic.

Where was Charlton Heston or another well spoken pro-gun person

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"Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities...Because it is the quality that guarantees all others"

"If we go on waiting upon events, how much shall we throw away our resources now available for our security"

"Where there is a great amount of free speech, there is always a certain amount of foolish speech"

Winston S. Churchill
 
The anti on with him made several untrue statements. Plastic guns don't exist and never have. The girl who bought the guns for the columbine killers went through a background check. The bill of rights specifically states the right of the People, as it does three other times in other amendments and it MEANS the people, not the state.

Nobody tries to refute these lies, the HCI people keep repeating the same lies and they get away with it. :(

Nugent should have called him on the columbine thing and on the Bill of Rights.

The problem is our spokesmen are not prepared, and theirs are. They can get away with lying and no one challenges them. The anti kicked Nuge's butt. He looked like a redneck and came across like one. :(

Geoff Ross
 
I can't believe after all this time and all this discussion that there would be any question on this but... the girl who bought three of the Columbine guns did so legally from a private seller at a gunshow and, thus, did not have to go through a background check. That's why the State of Colorado is likely to have an initiative on the ballot in November to require background checks on all firearm purchases on a gunshow. The fourth gun was a 9mm pistol which was bought through an illegal private sale from a friend of a friend.

Ok, beside that, I thought Ted did a good job. He wandered a bit in the middle on the plastic gun issue (he didn't clearly make his points), but he very successfuly made the point that an insignificantly small number of firearms bought at a gunshow have ever been used in a crime, according to FBI statistics. He also made the clear point that the Constitution recognized the right to self defense as one of the inalienable rights and if the anti-gun fellow wanted to be defenseless, fine, but don't require Ted to be.

One particularly high point was when Paula got the anti to admit that he wanted much more gun control than was currently being considered. Background checks and trigger locks were just a start with registration and licensing not far behind. He also explicitely stated that in his opinion the 2nd Amendment gave the State the right to keep and bear arms, not The People of the United States. Sooner or later, those 80 million firearms owners are going to wake up to what these folks are saying. The antis are slowly but surely slitting their own throats in public. His diatribe came off as "We don't like guns, you don't have a constitutional right to have them and, by the way, we want to know the name and SSN of each and every person out there who owns one"... for the children, of course.



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Well, If I am wrong about the columbine guns, than I'm wrong. But Ted still put on a poor performance vs the anti. He didn't make his points well and came across as the classic bubba with a gun rack in the back of his pickup.

Our spokesmen must be better prepared to counter the lies of the HCI crowd.


Geoff Ross
 
I thought Ted did ok. He was calm and collected most of the time. The only factual mistake I thought I heard him say was that plastic could be picked up by a magnometer. You can't have a debate about the subject in five minutes anyway. He hit the "Second Ammendment is not about hunting" very well, and ended with a heartfelt diatribe.
 
I saw the show and thought that Ted was great. I find it hard to believe that someone who is pro-gun could bash Ted like this. Bubba with a gun rack in his truck? I don't know about a gun rack, but $10 says he's carrying a Glock. Why is it that Ted's hair, and camo clothing makes him look like a redneck? I don't see it, and I don't think that the rest of America does either. Ted is a rock star, and a hunter. He wears camo all the time, and is proud of it. Heck, I always wear camo...am I a redneck? I guess so.
Ted is not a full time spokesman for the right to keep and bear arms, he is a member of the board of directors for the NRA, but he is a really busy guy. We are lucky that Ted took the time to defend us the way he did. As far as losing to the anti... did you ever see anyone win debating with one? You cant win against someone as ignorant as that idiot he was talking to. I think it's about time that gun owners quit bashing each other, and stick together. We can't win without the help of all of those redneck, camo wearing, long haired hunters out there.
And we darn sure will never win a debate on a anti-gun news station. We just tell our side, and hammer them at the election booths!

Calvin B.
camo wearin' hunter
 
I like Ted, and he made some good arguments, but Ted should avoid engaging professional lobbyists in live debate.

If he must do so, he should at least dress for the camera. It DOES matter.
 
Hello? Anyone Home? One of the few "famous" voices of the second amendment stood and delivered, and you idiots are running him down. Funny, I didn't see any of you in front of the camera. Our gun rights are being trampled, and you think it's because Ted wears Camo? Your theory is what? That we might be left alone if we all wore suits and ties? Ted dresses as he wishes, and, quite frankly, as the "average Joe" dresses. Why is that a bad thing? He wasn't there to impress anyone, he was there to speak the truth, to the masses watching. Those masses don't need to see a suit and tie to grant credibility. Ted made his points. Perhaps if he wasn't talked over he would have made them even better. As for not prepared, the man is walking encyclopedia of gun / hunting information. I challenge you to refute any of his statements. Hell HCI can't refute any of his claims. If you view success in debate as having the other party concede that you are right, your delusional. An HCI rep. is never going to concede he is wrong, neither will Paula. Here's a thought stop by the TNUSA web site, see what the man has to say, firsthand and as in person as the internet gets. But leave your preconceived notions at the door, or you will never see past them. So are you up to the challenge, or is Ted too "redneck" for you? If so, continue the sniping comments and in-fighting, then blame yourself when the Government comes for your guns. We all must stand UNITED against those who wish to disarm us. UNITED; me, you, Ted, Heston, Every gun owner, hunter, outdoorsmen and political conservative. Anything less will be failure, and we will have only ourselves to blame.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by K80Geoff:
Well, If I am wrong about the columbine guns, than I'm wrong. But Ted still put on a poor performance vs the anti. He didn't make his points well and came across as the classic bubba with a gun rack in the back of his pickup.

Our spokesmen must be better prepared to counter the lies of the HCI crowd.


Geoff Ross[/quote]

I thought Ted did a GREAT job. He had well researched facts, kept his cool and he smoked Mike Beard. What he was wearing has absolutely no bearing on his message. If he showed up in a suit and tie, he'd be accused of being a hypocrite. He dresses like he always does and people who are supposed to be on "his" side bash him. I don't get it.
 
proximo, can't believe after all this time and all this discussion that there would be any question on this but... the girl who bought three of the Columbine guns did so legally from a private seller at a gunshow and, thus, did not have to go through a background check.

Was it legal for her to purchase the firearms for minors, I think not. From what I remember even if she had to go through the background check she still would of been able to get the firearms.

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I think Ted did a fine job...I know I couldn't have done any better. It's very difficult to appear that you have "won" a debate against an anti-gun or anti-hunting spokesman on a liberal news program. The odds are stacked against us right from the get go.

The important thing to remember here is that a pro-gun message was being broadcast to millions. I'd love to see Charlton Heston or any other high profile actor, athlete, or celebrity speak out for our rights, but it's rare. Ted is the only one who does so on a regular basis.

In-fighting and apathy are our worst enemies and have been for years and years. The anti-gun and anti-hunting crowd are successful in part because they are united and involved. If we could get just half of our side to feel the same passion and fire, we'd go a long way toward maintaining our rights.

Speaking of rights, please be sure to exercise your right to vote this November! The Clinton regime needs to fall!

Regards,
Brian
brikng@earthlink.net

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Model12,

Look, if the sheeple see some HCI spokesperon in a suit and a pro-RKBA person in cammies they'll gravitate to the former. Appearances to matter in this battle. Of course the HCI people won't be moved, they're like us, committed to our opinions. This doesn't mean that those in the middle, the majority by the way, can't be swayed one way or another.

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You guys are kidding right??? I've seen Heston on live shows, and he ain't that hot. You may not have liked how Ted dressed, but he was effective.

Perhaps his best was when PZ said that some people don't care about hunting or target shooting. Ted's response...if that is your view of why the founding fathers drafted the 2nd Amendment, that is embarassing!!!!

He was "in your face", non-apologetic. Awesome for a celebrity...look @ Selleck " I don't represent the NRA"

Let's get real guys, you should be proud that a celebrity is willing to lay it on the for YOUR rights!!!!
 
Look, the choice to be a redneck is yours, it is or was a free country. But appearances matter. Reagan proved that, he looked so persidential that even the media droning on and on about him had little effect, even among the sheeple.

I have no beef with Ted, and admire and like him. It's just that we need people who are very eloquent and well spoken to represent us. Do not get me wrong, I would never put down any Pro-Gun person in front of anti's, but we have to face reality. A person in Cammie's may work in the south or in some other regions, but in areas like Kali or PRNY it does not go down well, and don't say that those places do not matter. Guns are for everyone's use and facilitate everyones freedom. However if people think that only a small percentage of people own and enjoy guns then you will end up with an US v. Them situation. We must convince people that this is about them and their freedom, and a guy in cammies is not what people watching FOXNEWS identifies with, at least not the people we are trying to win over. I want to see John Lott on FOXNEWS. In this day and age, IMAGE is everything, to ignore this is to ignore reality. And we cannot afford to ignore reality, in politics or anything else.

To those who like to wear Cammies, there is no stereotype involved, I love the way a woman looks in Cammies.
 
Wow. A guy wears a camo shirt and draws negative fire from one of our own. Unbelieveable.

Liberals like Larry King and Alan Colmes have both told Nugent that he is an eloquent spokesman for the shooting sports. In Omaha, the top-rated radio AM talk host refuses to have anyone but Nugent on his program to discuss guns. The list goes on and on.

You people never cease to amaze me.

Magnum Opus
 
Hey, Ted does it his way... If you think you can do a better job, then get out there and do it. Stop sitting here nit-picking one of our champions. We are either all in this together or we are not.
 
I seriously doubt anybody is about to ask me to sit on one of these TV shows to debate. But if i did go I would damn sure prepare to counter the lies of the HCI/VPC crowd.

I stand by my comments, Ted wasn't prepared to counter Beard. We can't just keep repeating the same hackneyed comments about gun ownership being a right. We have to counter them with solid arguments and call them when they lie.

We need to use the same tactics that the Anti's use.

And whether you like it or not, camo clothing has a negative connotation to many people. It might not be right, it might be prejudice, but it is true and we had better learn quickly to improve our image. Image in this society is everything, first impressions will stick with you forever, particularly with women, the group that we need to reach.

Thanks for all the comments from Teds fan club, nice to see new members on this forum. :)

Geoff Ross

PS I admit I am not a fan of his music, but I like his courage in speaking out for RKBA.
 
walangkatapat, you said:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Was it legal for her to purchase the firearms for minors, I think not. From what I remember even if she had to go through the background check she still would of been able to get the firearms.[/quote]

At the time of the shootings, under Colorado state law, it was legal for an adult to give a long gun to a minor. The two shotguns and one rifle bought by Robyn Anderson were classified as long guns so she didn't commit a crime and didn't go to jail. (a law to make this a criminal offense was passed in the last Colorado legislative session).

When Anderson went before the Colorado legislature last session and claimed she would have never bought the guns if she had had to go through a background check, it was so transparently manipulative that almost the entire state vomited en-masse. She was the star witness of the anti-gun Democrats in the legislature who were attempting to push a law requiring background checks at gunshows. The Governor almost went through the roof. Visibly shaken and attempting to hold back his anger, Gov. Owens went before the cameras the next day and did everything but call her a lying, manipulative, bitch. If I remember correctly, the sellor of the guns verified that she was 18 years old before selling them which required that she show her driver's license as proof. Funny, she wasn't so concerned about the sellor possibly recording her name on the sale.

As far as the one pistol used, it was bought in an illegal private sale. Why illegal? Because Colorado State law prohibits providing a handgun to a minor. The sellor and the middleman both went to prison because of that.

Federal law did not come into play because federal law only governs sales through federally licensed dealers or sales that involve interstate transfer.
 
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