Tazer over Firearms?
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Wildalaska
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You speak for SWMBO too
WildspurnedbymyownspousebutheyTHEUSBEATSPAINAlaska TM
To make it gun related, didnt Sly get busted once with a concealed weapon, or am I just confusing a multiplicity of weirdly dressed musicians
Mossberg590
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About The Taser VS a Weapon
stargazer,
Actually, he asks a good question ... for another thread.
Many years ago in my youth I took on 3 guys at the top of a stair case,
The firsts one went down before he even knew what the hell happen, I stuck a 500,000 Volt Stun Gun In His throat & Addam's Apple & Zapped him for about 2 senconds "Right In His Throat & Adams Adams,
It litterly drop him like a 100 pound sake of potatos down the full flight of stairs ass over tea ketcal
When I finnised with the other 2 & got them back out of the house, They had to pick ther fellow co-hort up & carry him out the door,
"Because He Was "Seriously Still Twiching"
I have many none leathal weapons that I keep in my truck is some thing should happen when I am on the road!
But seiuosly Guy, If he is "approaching you "with a ANY Form Of A Weapon, & It very clear verbally or other wize that aims to hurt or kill you & your loved ones!
The last thing that you should be reaching for! Is a Taser!
You & Your Family & Loved Ones "Are In Danger"
In this type case, the only thing that you should be grabbing for
"IS YOUR GUN"! & Then Just Double Tap His Ass!
& You Send Him Straight To HELL!
(That's a hint, y'all.)
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... if truly reliable distance stunners were around, would the moral person use them instead of the potentially lethal rounds we use?
pax
Okay, PAX, I will bite!
How many would consider a full genuine TAZER a viable means of SD/HD? I ain't talking no flea market stun gun but a real pro tazer or at least the wire feed unit sold for civvie use.
I personally would not as it is unable to engage multiple targets and is not a sure thing if someone is wearing a fluffy coat or leather gear which are both realistic clothing issues I use in choosing defensive weapons.
Brent
stargazer,
Actually, he asks a good question ... for another thread.
Many years ago in my youth I took on 3 guys at the top of a stair case,
The firsts one went down before he even knew what the hell happen, I stuck a 500,000 Volt Stun Gun In His throat & Addam's Apple & Zapped him for about 2 senconds "Right In His Throat & Adams Adams,
It litterly drop him like a 100 pound sake of potatos down the full flight of stairs ass over tea ketcal
When I finnised with the other 2 & got them back out of the house, They had to pick ther fellow co-hort up & carry him out the door,
"Because He Was "Seriously Still Twiching"
I have many none leathal weapons that I keep in my truck is some thing should happen when I am on the road!
But seiuosly Guy, If he is "approaching you "with a ANY Form Of A Weapon, & It very clear verbally or other wize that aims to hurt or kill you & your loved ones!
The last thing that you should be reaching for! Is a Taser!
You & Your Family & Loved Ones "Are In Danger"
In this type case, the only thing that you should be grabbing for
"IS YOUR GUN"! & Then Just Double Tap His Ass!
& You Send Him Straight To HELL!
(That's a hint, y'all.)
Quote:
... if truly reliable distance stunners were around, would the moral person use them instead of the potentially lethal rounds we use?
pax
Okay, PAX, I will bite!
How many would consider a full genuine TAZER a viable means of SD/HD? I ain't talking no flea market stun gun but a real pro tazer or at least the wire feed unit sold for civvie use.
I personally would not as it is unable to engage multiple targets and is not a sure thing if someone is wearing a fluffy coat or leather gear which are both realistic clothing issues I use in choosing defensive weapons.
Brent
stargazer65
New member
OK, sorry Pax and Glenn, I didn't notice that Glenn was talking about actual real world tazers. I just logged on after a three hour absence from that thread (where some pretty serious and heavy discussions were taking place); and a quick perusal of the latest posts talked about filliboobing(sounds embarrassing
), phasers on stun, and something about aliens. I thought I was in the new off topic forum at first.
Nope, no tazer for me, don't trust it. I'm not a big guy, can't deal with an enraged thug. I'll stick to a good blaster at my side. Preferably in 12 gauge. At least until my Klingon Disruptor gets here.
^not very good? Could you please explain? I checked out the C2 at the store the other day and it seems like simply a more compact version of the LE model.
RE:OP-Probably not. At a previous job, I saw the value of the Taser, BUT I was supported by at least one additional officer. In the civvie world, the Tasers are not especially helpful. Sure, if you are attacked by one BG, you can pop them and you have basically 30 seconds to get out of dodge.
Just as I do at work, it is a supplement to a sidearm. Same with OC, which I have seen be less than 50% effective. It isn't that great...
RE:OP-Probably not. At a previous job, I saw the value of the Taser, BUT I was supported by at least one additional officer. In the civvie world, the Tasers are not especially helpful. Sure, if you are attacked by one BG, you can pop them and you have basically 30 seconds to get out of dodge.
Just as I do at work, it is a supplement to a sidearm. Same with OC, which I have seen be less than 50% effective. It isn't that great...
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For the first five seconds, the C2 (civilian model) and the LE Taser models both give exactly the same jolt to the subject. After five seconds, the LE model shuts off, while the C2 keeps going (with a different pattern designed to stretch battery life) for a total of thirty seconds. In that sense, the C2 is better than the LE models -- especially since it is designed to cope with the necessary tactics a civilian would be using.
As for "not very good," that's in the eye of the beholder. I have one and carry it. While the technology is not yet there to truly replace the firearm in defensive use, it's still a Darn Good Tool.
pax
bababooey32
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I would not use a tazer (even if all the imperfections were worked out) because it simply could not engage multiple targets.
I would definitely not want a taser IN ADDITION to a gun, as it presents an alternative in the continuum of force where I am now responsible for being able to dicern which weapon to use in a given situation. If i choose the wrong one, I may be liable. I am not trained in force continuum, so I'd prefer not to have that responsibility.
If a BG enters my home unarmed, which weapon do I use? Texas law says I can shoot him, but if I have a tazer to choose from and he is unarmed, now I have to justify (if only to myself) why I chose the gun and not the taazer.
No Thanks.
Guns for me.
I would definitely not want a taser IN ADDITION to a gun, as it presents an alternative in the continuum of force where I am now responsible for being able to dicern which weapon to use in a given situation. If i choose the wrong one, I may be liable. I am not trained in force continuum, so I'd prefer not to have that responsibility.
If a BG enters my home unarmed, which weapon do I use? Texas law says I can shoot him, but if I have a tazer to choose from and he is unarmed, now I have to justify (if only to myself) why I chose the gun and not the taazer.
No Thanks.
Guns for me.
KingEdward
New member
I've wondered about this but stopped wondering a couple of weeks back.
On COPS, on a routine stop, things escalated and the male driver would not exit the car. Guy was about 5' 8 and 170lbs or so.
After the third warning and his refusal to move, in went the tazer wires and they lit him up.
It seemed to just turn him on and then make him angry. He didn't get out.
4 guys dragged him out and they were still tazing him and he was still resisting. He was standing the whole time and you could hear the volts being sent.
When things finally settled down, it did not appear that he was on anything nor were there any drugs found.
I have no interest in the taser.
Also, I would hope to keep some distance with a firearm that may not be possible with a tazer.
On COPS, on a routine stop, things escalated and the male driver would not exit the car. Guy was about 5' 8 and 170lbs or so.
After the third warning and his refusal to move, in went the tazer wires and they lit him up.
It seemed to just turn him on and then make him angry. He didn't get out.
4 guys dragged him out and they were still tazing him and he was still resisting. He was standing the whole time and you could hear the volts being sent.
When things finally settled down, it did not appear that he was on anything nor were there any drugs found.
I have no interest in the taser.
Also, I would hope to keep some distance with a firearm that may not be possible with a tazer.
I waited until we had a good discussion going to throw this into the mix...
The case of the 2 Okaloosa county deputies who were murdered at the gun range... It was immediately after getting lit up by a tazer that the killer went for the gun and killed the 2 officers.
Brent
The case of the 2 Okaloosa county deputies who were murdered at the gun range... It was immediately after getting lit up by a tazer that the killer went for the gun and killed the 2 officers.
Brent
KingEdward
New member
then let us know which tazers you opt for once the guns are
gone.
gone.
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
Pax said:
No kidding. I know of an incident wherein a police officer emptied a 357 revolver into a perp and he didn't die. So, obviously, a 357mag in not enough for defensive purposes.
That same police officer was killed, in the same incident, with a single 22LR bullet. So, obviously, a 22LR is a far better defensive weapon that a 357mag.
stargazer65
New member
Statistics show cigarettes are far deadlier. Just toss cartons of unfiltered camels:barf: at the BG.
Sorry, didn't mean to cause thread veer.
My point was that NO defensive tool, including our beloved firearms, is 100% guaranteed to work 100% of the time.
Tasers have a truly awesome track record in the LE world as being a great deal more reliable than the average less-lethal option.
pax
My point was that NO defensive tool, including our beloved firearms, is 100% guaranteed to work 100% of the time.
Tasers have a truly awesome track record in the LE world as being a great deal more reliable than the average less-lethal option.
pax
Evan Thomas
Inactive
Yes... I might want one as an adjunct, but not as a replacement, I don't think -- that "too many variables and negatives" thing... but for now I'll stick with OC as an alternative, and try to stay upwind.pax said:
Yes, indeedy, although I wonder what the odds are of there ever being phasers with zero negative aftereffects: they'll end up being called less-lethal, not non-lethal, just like all that other stuff.
And wearing striped pants will always defeat a phaser... just so you know.
stargazer65
New member
In all seriousness though I have a question. It's been said that using less lethal rounds (ie bean bags, rubber bullets) are a bad idea for HD/SD. Why would tazers be a good idea? It seems like the same concept.
armsmaster270
New member
As said before Taser's are a tool in your tool kit just as is your Pistol, Shotgun, OC spray, Martial Arts and Louiville Slugger. You can't carry them all and for medical reasons you may not be able to use some, but you may carry one as a non lethal addition to your weapon. Multiple BG's taser is a disadvantage, Wind can negate OC Spray and affect you worse than the BG. Its all a big crapshoot you have to do the best you can with what you have and in a lot of situations you may not have the luxury of chosing which weapon to use. From one who has been there.
Stargazer
Bean Bags and rubber bullets are a stand off weapons designed for longer than SD distances
One more catagory for the poll: In the right Situation, yes
Stargazer
Bean Bags and rubber bullets are a stand off weapons designed for longer than SD distances
One more catagory for the poll: In the right Situation, yes
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Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
For HD you might have a point. Unless there was a way to immobilize the BG until LE arrives.
For SD on the street a tazer is good because it gives you the chance to get away. Something that is not particularly an option at home, or at least not a very good one.