Taurus Curve, the curved pistol

In all my years on this earth, after all the stuff that politicians have done, after all the ridiculous things I've seen in the military, I have never seen something so utterly absurd in my life. Just when taurus was start to look like a respectable firearms company, they do this. That's all I am saying and by the looks of this thread there are many that agree.
 
Cheapshooter said:
That stupid little pocket clip does not cover, or protect the trigger from something getting to it, does it?
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Unless your hand has joints in places mine doesn't, until the gun is OUT of the waistband you finger can't get to the trigger and there's not much under my waistband except a shirt that could get to that trigger. I think your concern is arguably misplaced.

I've used belt clips on several different guns and have come to prefer IWB holsters. If I were to get a CURVE -- I probably won't -- I'd just look for a suitable IWB holster and not install the belt clip.
 
teejhot.40cal said:
In all my years on this earth, after all the stuff that politicians have done, after all the ridiculous things I've seen in the military, I have never seen something so utterly absurd in my life.
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Your military experience was obviously different than mine:)
 
It is a gimmick at best. It probably carries the same as a PPS, Kahr series, or other slim single stacks. I would never bet my life on a Taurus seeing as other half the ones we sell have issues.:eek:
 
Dragline45 said:
If Taurus spent half the time on quality control as they do on pumping out ridiculous designs they would be a much better company. Damn shame.
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My exact thoughts about Taurus. They could be great if they cared as much about making good guns as they care about coming up with cool gun ideas.
 
its a 300$ gun, I don't see why anyone is offended by it, if it was 9x19, I would get it for another toy. my wife would like it too, which is what I think it's probably marketed for anyways. as for quality control, I don't doubt peoples claims of problems, but I keep buying Taurus's and they keep treating me well.
 
The sometimes make a gun that works... the real question is for how long. They cut corners to keep costs down, and even the CEO has openly addmited their biggest issue has been QC. Their new miami building is nice, with a nice 75yard shooting range, and they are trying to move more production there so I give them some credit. The TCP is mfg there, however let's be honest, its a cheaply made pocket gun, so they are not short of issues as well.

OLDER Taurus models were actually OK guns, circa the 80's. Their 1911 and PT92 are probably their most solid models, but not with out faults of their own either. Their other semi auto's are absolutely terrible most times, and if they do work out of the box, they don't work after a few hundred or thousand rounds. Taurus actually often replaces entire guns with new ones because some are unrepairable... even with new models sometimes because the older one returned was discontinued. Yes they have a lifetime warranty.... because frankly they NEED it.
 
Oh Taurus..... :confused:.

I don't get it but I do at the same time. I think the first article the OP linked nails it... kinda. That article talks about this gun being marketed to trendy urban young ladies who fantasize over the latest iPhone or Galaxy. I don't think that's a big market for any gun. Maybe a woman married to a gun guy, or raised in a gun family but never really took it up as a sport, to have one because it can be easier for them to conceal. That's a market... but IMO a pretty small one.

My wife is comfortable shooting, but I will not convince her to carry a gun. It's not that she's against the idea, she likes when I carry. What she is against is bearing the responsibility herself. It can be a hassle for a lady, especially a young lady who wants to dress in more or less form fitting (not necessarily revealing, just stylish for young folks) clothes, to CC unless they want to purse carry. Many young ladies don't even carry a purse anymore, and the ones that do probably don't like the idea of carrying a gun in it because they are afraid of leaving it somewhere. My wife is the same way. She doesn't dress "young, shabby chik, or urban," but she dresses like a normal woman her size would and it's hard for her to hide even a mouse gun on her person. She is adamantly opposed to purse carry. I am too. We have nosy kids and she has been known to lose stuff on occasions. So... I carry and she just has a plan to evade when she's not with me.

I don't see this design selling well. I think the author nailed it when he called the market that Taurus is aiming for... I just don't see that market going for it enough to make it a successful design. I don't see many, if any, "gun guys (or gals)" going for this. Just my 2 pennies.
 
I dunno about that "not working after hundreds or thousands of rounds"...
my Wifey's 24/7 Pro-C has well over 6K rounds thru it, & its still running like a Swiss watch.

Only hiccup was a bad 13-rd mag, and it was sent back & they gave her a 17 rd mag...
it has worked perfectly.

Granted we clean after every range visit & keep 'em lightly lubed...
and use VV-N340 powder...nice, clean-burning stuff :)

Of course, did do a little hand-fitting & reliability polishing, but EVERY semi-auto we own gets that treatment :D
 
the trigger and there's not much under my waistband except a shirt
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Or the corner of a table. Or an object sticking out of something. Or a small child grabbing your side. Or a thousand other things that clothing fabric alone can't guard from getting into a trigger guard.
Pocket clips just don't cut it when good, easy to use holsters are available.
 
Cheapshooter:
I have the techna clip on my lcp, which doesn't exactly have a hair trigger. In fact, I can't pull the trigger through my clothing, even if I deliberately try (with an unloaded gun, of course). It's no different than the clip grips sometimes found on double action revolvers.
 
Or the corner of a table. Or an object sticking out of something. Or a small child grabbing your side. Or a thousand other things that clothing fabric alone can't guard from getting into a trigger guard.

Pocket clips just don't cut it when good, easy to use holsters are available.
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I think you've created possibilities that exist only in your mind. Have you ever TRIED or worn a gun with a belt clip? Or is this all theory on your part?

To pull a trigger on a gun that's inside your trousers (behind and partially covered by the waist band and a belt, and probably several layers of cloth -- you'd have to be wearing pants made of very loose-fitting, flexible and thin cloth to even think the trigger could be moved by forces applied from outside the clothes. And the likelihood of a complete trigger stroke seems even less likely.

(I've heard of a kid reaching inside a pocket containing a small "pocket gun" and the kid discharging it. That's hard to believe, but kids do have strong hands -- and there's no intervening cloth covering the trigger in that example. That said, I'm not sure I really believe the story -- supposedly happened to an off-duty LEO. No one was hurt but a few were frightened and at least one person was embarrassed.)

That said, I'm not a big fan of belt clips on guns -- because a good IWB will probably be more more comfortable. But that statement is based on the fact that I've used belt clips with flat guns, and the can allow the gun to pivot a bit. The Curve will be almost fixed in position until it's pulled -- because of its curve.
 
I think it's biggest strength is that it caters to a crowd that aren't die-hard enthusiasts that are more commonly found in these forums; it's making the firearm, more, to me, a defense accessory such as pepper spray or a taser. To me - it's making pocket pistols - and CC for that matter - more mainstream. When things become more mainstream, they become more readily acceptable by the general populace. Frankly, I don't care if the gun is bent, see-through and has a custom purple Otterbox case/holster, if it means that 25% more people CC it because it fits their lifestyle, that's a huge win for the cause.

Fashion's one thing to consider - I dress in fitting jeans and a fitted raglan 3/4 sleeve shirt, am 6' even and weigh exactly 180 pounds. Even my Officer-framed New Agent in a CB holster sticks out like a sore thumb in that setup, I might as well OC. When it comes to lifestyle, i'm not about to wear cargo shorts and a bowling shirt to cover up a pistol, it's just not me to wear super baggy clothing and jackets when not necessary. If this little gun means that they can offer one more mode of carry in this situation, my likelihood of carrying goes up, and that's a good thing. The other 50% of the time I wear a T-shirt with a buttoned collared overshirt, but you can't always wear that when it's 101 degrees out. I laud the attempt. Is it perfect? No, but it helps to be diverse, because NOT being diverse doesn't really help anything.
 
well i will say that the Curve is futuristic looking, and 7 rounds of .380 isn't something to sneeze at, beside shot placement trumps cal. every time, i'll admit not much of a Taurus fan, but i always wanted a SS PT92, and a Raging 223 and a Raging 480, i just hope that the Curve isn't a lemon, because i will admit if it becomes a problem free product, i may invest in one, as a BUG.
 
My bet is Taurus sells a bunch of them.

My 2nd bet is that Ruger tries to rip them off and comes out with something similar, like it did to Kel Tec's PF9.

I'm going to mark this post "look back" so that I can see if my predictions came true one, two, three years from now!;)
 
It will sell. The Judge sold like hotcakes, I expect this will too, mostly because nobody ever went broke selling gimmicky stuff.

1) The curve of the Curve makes it more likely to print for left handers.
2) There's no sights.
3) The integrated laser and light, while the one good idea this gun has, aren't activated just by taking a firing grip (as you get with Crimson Trace products). So you're looking at another awkward step to activate them... if you need it in a hurry, you're not going to pull that off. And as I said in #2, there's no irons to serve as a backup.
4) I find the side clip to be a foolish idea. It may not be a complete deal breaker, but it increases the chances of something getting in the trigger guard.
5) All from a company not notorious for good quality control or good customer service.
6) It exists to serve a market that must have said (at some point, inaudibly) that the Ruger LCP or similar guns are too expensive and just aren't concealable.

I'd include the odd muzzle (they curved the muzzle too... it's not a 90 degree angle) as number 7 but I'll wait to see accuracy tests. I'd think that sort of thing will have gases escaping out the top as the bullet clears the muzzle (instead of evenly around the rear of the bullet) so I wonder if it's going to cause the bullet to take an odd trajectory. But like I said, maybe I'm worried about something that wouldn't be a problem.

Honestly, the ONE thing about the Curve that's worthwhile is the integrated light and laser. It's not the first gun to integrate a laser... not even the first gun in that size class to do it. Many pocketable guns can have one added easily (Crimson Trace Laserguard) and, while expensive, that add-on activates much more naturally. Usually you end up picking between light OR laser

It may satisfy the first rule of gunfights (Have a Gun), but there's a long, long, long list of guns I'd prefer.
 
technosavant wrote:

1) The curve of the Curve makes it more likely to print for left handers.
A left-handed version is likely coming. If you look at the patent drawings available online, you'll see that the mag and slide are conventional, and only the slip-on frame cover and base (which are thicker on one side than the other, are curved.
2) There's no sights.
True, but that's the case with many of the small 380s -- they're vestigal in some of them, and of questionable worth in others. There is an "X" on the rear of the slide that might work. The LASER is what you'd use if you aren't doing near-contact shots.
3) The integrated laser and light, while the one good idea this gun has, aren't activated just by taking a firing grip (as you get with Crimson Trace products). So you're looking at another awkward step to activate them... if you need it in a hurry, you're not going to pull that off. And as I said in #2, there's no irons to serve as a backup.
The Big button on the side activates the LASER, I think. I'd prefer one that comes on automatically when the gun is brought up to firing position, or can't be ONE while you have it in carry position... kills the battery quickly, otherwise.
4) I find the side clip to be a foolish idea. It may not be a complete deal breaker, but it increases the chances of something getting in the trigger guard.
It's optional. If you want to use an IWB or pocket holster, the clip can be removed (or not installed in the first place.)
5) All from a company not notorious for good quality control or good customer service.
6) It exists to serve a market that must have said (at some point, inaudibly) that the Ruger LCP or similar guns are too expensive and just aren't concealable.

I'd include the odd muzzle (they curved the muzzle too... it's not a 90 degree angle) as number 7 but I'll wait to see accuracy tests. I'd think that sort of thing will have gases escaping out the top as the bullet clears the muzzle (instead of evenly around the rear of the bullet) so I wonder if it's going to cause the bullet to take an odd trajectory. But like I said, maybe I'm worried about something that wouldn't be a problem.
If you get the right photos, you'll see two different versions of the barrel. One is shorter and with a vertical end. Close-up photos of the angled barrel shows that the rifling is inset and ends about 1/2" inside the barrel. That will likely make the uneven release of gases a non issue.​
 
yeah, I believe the rifling stops a half inch or so inside, and the barrel expands after that point, so I don't see it being an issue. may even act like a canted brake in a way like on an ak
 
Have you ever TRIED or worn a gun with a belt clip?
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No, because I have no reason to. My LCP is completely comfortable, and concealed in the DeSantis Superfly, or Nemesis in any pocket. My Kahr CM9 likewise in some pockets in a Nemesis. As is my LCR as well in a Winter coat pocket. With IWB, the Kahr, LCR, plus my Springfield Armory XD40 Subcompact are easily, and inconveniently carried IWB in a Theis Holsters IWB Hybrid holster.
So, I have no reason to chance a ND because the trigger of my gun is not protected by a holster.
Secondly, because I don't use them, I'm not sure how much tension they have to properly retain the gun, but I know with the clips on my IWB holsters it is sometimes Gerry difficult to pull them off of a belt. I would think that is just adding another possible problem to drawing a firearm that is clipped to a belt firmly enough to keep it in place.
That's my reasons that I am happy with my carry methods, and have no need to change. If you are happy with yours, that's your choice.
 
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2 out of 3 Taurus I bought were junk . 3 worked but sold it . Didn't trust after other 2 . That curve is silly and they don't like L/handed people.

I'll keep my OLD Colt Mustang ,KelTec 380 and Bersa.
 
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