I've had a 617 for a couple of years now and it's been a good shooter for a couple thousand rounds. one problem, rust under the grip and along the top left hand side. (above the grip).to much sweat i guess from a summer of concealed carry in South Florida.it's a backup bedroom gun now.i gave my father in-law a 85 ul to replace the s&w m10 he's carried around the farm for 30+ years and i've been his favorite son-in-law since.i had the s&w reblued for him and he's a happy camper.but he only carries the taurus with him.i gave the wife a naa guardian and a colt diamond .22 and she is still cranky so go figure?