Target Stores - No Guns Please

Too bad they don't pay more attention to protecting the credit info. of their customers.

If I decide to carry, a sign posted at the door isn't going to stop me. It's called concealed carry for a reason. ;)
 
If I decide to carry, a sign posted at the door isn't going to stop me.
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That's the way. Who cares about their property rights?

Right or wrong, it's their property to decide on, not ours.

Between Moms Demand bullying these stores to enact policy, and open carry demonstrations fueling the fire businesses are finding it hard to stay out of it, and even harder to fight the easy way out of banning firearms on their premises. So do you really think we should push it that one step further to get these signs the force of law in every state, instead of a rare few?
 
Jim Dandy said:
That's the way. Who cares about their property rights?

Right or wrong, it's their property to decide on, not ours.
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Exactly right. I've had this argument many times before and I'll not do it again, only state my piece and be done.

It's not only a property rights issue, it's an integrity issue. By passing that sign, you are implicitly agreeing that you are not carrying a gun. There's a word for folks who say one thing and do another.
 
Closed - the reason is that we see folks advocating behavior that, depending on the state, is illegal.

It also suggests a disregard for the store's opinion which is bad PR.

I suggest that instead of breaking the law or sneaking in - one:

1. Contacts Target as a reasonable person and not a doofus.
2. Don't go there and let the free market work, once you contact them.
3. Work for legislation that forbids such bans except on strong technical reasons.

Number 3 is quite controversial as it pits different rights priorities.

However, this is a consequence of inappropriate posturing by folks who are totally clueless as to social impact. This has been stated so many times here.

Thus, closed.
 
After a polite request and staff discussion, we've decided to reopen.

However, suggest illegalities or rudeness and it gets closed and you get an ouch.

Have at it.
 
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the reason Target was forced to make this decision. OK I will.

Thanks Open Carry Texas, you have done it again.

I have said it before and I will say it again, Grishim and his band of idiots have to be Anti-Gun activists, nobody is that stupid to keep doing what they are doing and believe they are gaining ground in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the Right to Open Carry.
 
^^^this^^^

Those that push the open carry statute to the point of making the avg shopper afraid are NOT HELPING the 2A cause.

Unfortunately i dont think Target (in this case) handeled it well with a blanket ban on guns. A store has the right to refuse service to anyone it chooses. I would have supported Target management asking the Open Carry folks to leave.

That is Targets right and should be respected.

By posting "no guns allowed" signs they have effectively stopped me from shopping there. I always have my CCW on so now i cant go in...ok by me. Walmart is right across the street from Target. Done
 
I don't know if it is the case that signs are posted. That is a very specific issue state by state.

Whether a general announcement has force of law depends on such interpretations.

It is clear that if you ask the management in a store and they say to YOU personally that they do not want such - it does apply to you.

If a small number of gun owners say they won't shop there as compared to many more not wanting to shop with AR toters - guess who carries the free market decision day?
 
nobody is that stupid to keep doing what they are doing and believe they are gaining ground in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the Right to Open Carry.
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I suspect these open carry radicals (not all open carry folks) live in some kind of bubble and have no idea how other people see them. I’ve got friends that are at opposite ends of the political spectrum and they all seem opposed to this extreme version of open carry. Yes, the Mothers had something to do with this decision along with Target’s general desire to avoid controversy. However, I do wonder how much these zealots did influence the decision.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/07/target-asks-open-carriers-to-leave-their-guns-at-home-a-request-open-carry-texas-regrets.html/
 
FWIW the statement on Target's website makes it totally unclear what, if any, steps will be taken by store management if OC activists show up.

From the link:
Target CEO John Mulligan said:
...starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law.

We’ve listened carefully to the nuances of this debate and respect the protected rights of everyone involved. In return, we are asking for help in fulfilling our goal to create an atmosphere that is safe and inviting for our guests and team members.
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Pretty blasé statement, folks.
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By posting "no guns allowed" signs they have effectively stopped me from shopping there.
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Have any Target stores actually posted "No Guns" signs?
 
I will say this again - if you say that you will carry despite a posting, you from now on will explicitly give your state and the legal evaluation that the sign does NOT have force of law. If you do not, you will be infracted.

I will also point to you Brian's post about the integrity of ignoring a request. That is an interesting issue for moral philosophers.
 
I don't get these dudes at all. I'm sorry if I see 4 dudes walking through target with rifles I am going to hit the deck.

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I can understand carrying a pistol for personal protection but this is too much.
 
I have a right to carry. Target has a right to ask me to not carry in their stores. As a general rule, my rights extend only so far as they do not infringe on another's rights. A little common sense and common courtesy will yield vast results.
 
It's only a request with no legal standing !!!

Right or wrong, it's their property to decide on, not ours.
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As I've stated before, they have a right to post any and all signs and that does not change the fact that I have a legal right to carry. The way it was presented locally, is this that it is only a request on their part and has no legal standing. We have been told that if it shows, you will be asked to leave and then if you don't, you "may" be charged with trespassing or disturbing the piece. Basically LEO's will escort you out the door and chew you butt out. .... :rolleyes:

Be Safe !!!
 
Ok - Iowa signs don't have the force of law but if asked you have to go.

You don't have the right to carry once told you cannot.

That the case?
 
Texas Open Carry and other fools bringing long guns into stores and then goofily smiling while taking pictures are "village idiots" of the gun owning community!!! This latest Target mess is a huge public opinion loss for ALL gun owners! Soon, we'll all be branded as disrespectful crazies without any common sense, we will be marginalized as a fringe group of extremists, we'll lose public opinion war, and then all our gun rights will be stripped away. What a bunch of clowns! While trying (unsuccessfully) to advance their local goal, TOC are making things worse for the entire gun community. This indicates either lack of intelligence, or lack of regard for their gun owning brethren. :mad: Boy, do they make me mad!!
 
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I don't get these dudes at all. I'm sorry if I see 4 dudes walking through target with rifles I am going to hit the deck.
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What's not to get? They are media whores. All the criticism they get just proves in their own minds how righteous their cause is. But really all they want is attention, and the rest of us be damned.

If they had any sense, they would be out on the sidewalks looking respectable, with holstered Ruger Old Armies and assorted cap 'n ball Remingtons, and passing out literature. (or STFU'ing)
 
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There won't be any signs posted:
Molly Snyder, a Target spokeswoman, said the retailer will not post signs at its stores asking people not to bring guns inside. “It is not a ban,” she said. “There is no prohibition.”
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http://www.startribune.com/business/265535731.html

Target, like 99% of other retail stores, just wants to sell stuff to people who want to buy it and don't want to get dragged into political debates by Open Carry Texas or Bloomberg's astroturf group.

OCT really needs to just knock it off.
 
I can't seem to find it now, but when I read one of the earlier new links, the spokesperson for Target who was interviewed said that it was NOT a prohibition of firearms, but a mere request. (edit - There! the link above my post!)

Honestly, I think from the standpoint of a business in our communities, that is a great idea on how to handle the issue. It doesn't say that this business is anti-gun. They are not trying to trample your God-given-Pry-It-From-Your-Cold-Dead-Fingers rights.

They are doing what is in THEIR rights. We've argued it before, but many still do not comprehend that YOUR right to bear arms becomes a PRIVILEGE when you enter private property that you do not own.

And it may turn out that individual Target stores may opt to not say or do anything about those who open carry. There are a lot of people who do openly carry handguns in this state (Alaska) and there are only a handful of places that do post lawful signage prohibiting the carrying of guns on premises.
But Alaskans are not in the practice of carrying openly as 'activists', its just part of daily life for many.
 
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