Tampa intruder shot dead, is called "ill"

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Can you believe the neighbors' reaction to the shooting? I guess the woman should have known the guy had stopped taking his medicine, and should have just let him stab her to death. Fortunately, in Florida, these cases are open and shut--you have the right to use lethal force to stop an intruder in your home.

Robert
 
Robert, thanks.

Here's the story, in case the link disappears:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Aug 9, 2000 - 10:24 PM


Ill man shot dead attacking neighbor
CANDACE J. SAMOLINSKI
of The Tampa Tribune


Robert J. Metz made it a point to know most everyone in his neighborhood, beeping his car horn whenever he drove by anyone who was outside.
If somebody was building something, the 47-year-old construction worker was there to offer advice and often lend a hand.

But his happy-go-lucky demeanor masked a mental illness that was slowly consuming Metz, relatives say.

Maria Pittaras, 28, was something of an enigma in the neighborhood. She moved to the Turtle Lakes subdivision at the Pasco- Hillsborough counties line about a year ago, just around the corner from Metz and his wife, Carolyn, Pittaras' father recalls.

Neighbors didn't see her outside much; she did most of her real estate-related work from home. She kept her yard immaculate and occasionally entertained friends with outdoor barbecues, neighbors say.

Pittaras and Metz weren't friends, but their worlds collided early Wednesday morning. Pasco County sheriff's deputies say Metz donned a mask and crept into the woman's bedroom, awakening her with a knife to her throat.

She managed to grab her gun from her nightstand and shot the intruder; he died almost instantly. Sheriff's officials later determined the shooting was in self-defense and won't bring charges.

The violent episode, the first of its kind there, has divided a neighborhood already grappling with increasing property crimes. But the young woman's father feels no ambivalence.

``I gave her that gun for protection. She is a good girl,'' said Spiros Pittaras of Palm Harbor. ``She feels terrible about this. That man's mental problems are finished ... hers are just beginning.''

SOMETIME BEFORE 2 a.m., Metz donned a dark mask and gloves, grabbed a knife and crawled into his neighbor's home through a window, sheriff's spokesman Kevin Doll said.

Metz crept into the bedroom as the woman slept, jumped on top of her and held the knife to her throat. She grabbed her .38-caliber pistol and fired two shots, striking Metz in the neck, Doll said.

Somewhere around that time, Carolyn Metz awoke with a start and found herself alone in bed. She looked around the house, then wandered outside, relatives say. When she saw the sheriff's patrol cars, she knew something was terribly wrong. More than an hour later, she learned her husband was dead.

Those closest to Robert Metz say they witnessed his gradual slide into a nightmare of manic depression over the last few weeks. They watched helplessly as he stopped taking his medication and his personality changed. Relatives, who didn't want to be identified in the newspaper, said he likely was in the grips of his mental illness when he went into Pittaras' home.

Still, many neighbors find that explanation hard to believe.

``Why would a married man with kids pick that particular house?'' Maurice Sanders asked. ``There has to be more to it than anyone is saying. He was the nicest guy in the world and wouldn't hurt anyone. Maybe he was just trying to scare her.''

Others say Pittaras did the right thing in shooting Metz.

``I'm shocked something like this happened in our neighborhood,'' said Steve Bridges. ``It just goes to show that you never really know people. If you enter someone else's house in the middle of the night, you are definitely taking your life into your own hands.''

Metz's family, which includes two grown children who live out of state, gathered at his home Wednesday to share in their grief.

Pittaras also is struggling to come to terms with the shooting, her father said.

``She's a big girl and she will have to decide if she wants to go back to that house,'' he said. ``This is a terrible thing to have happened. Anyone, especially women, should understand why she had to do what she did.''

Candace J. Samolinski can be reached at csamolinski@tampatrib.comor (813) 948-4215[/quote]

The neighbor's comments sound like an oblique slander of Pittaras, IMHO.

Glad she's OK. Too bad about Metz, but we all know that if he had successfully raped or killed the women the story would have read that there was a tragedy involving a poor, mentally deranged but good man, and a woman who was in the 'wrong place at the wrong time'.

I hope Maria can recover from this dreadful experience.

Live and let live. Regards from AZ



[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited August 10, 2000).]
 
Home invasion apologist Maurice Sanders is quoted as saying``Maybe he was just trying to scare her.´´

That attitude only excuses crime and is irresponsible.

Where were Maurice and Robert's relatives when he began his final descent?

There are just enough serious incidents between honest citizenry and individual with mental illnessess or developmental disabilities to put down more apologist claims these cases are rare.

To those people grappling with mental illness - take your medication. If the side effects get a little too strong, consult your physicians.
Jeff


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Pittaras and Metz weren't friends, but their worlds collided early Wednesday morning.[/quote]More spin. Their worlds did not collide. He invaded her world. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Maybe he was just trying to scare her.[/quote]If he was, he seems to have been rather successful.
 
``There has to be more to it than anyone is saying. He was the nicest guy in the world and wouldn't hurt anyone. Maybe he was just trying to scare her.''

Seems like his intention proved to work all too well.

Where is the *duh* smiley face??

oh, yeah. :rolleyes:

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This is the part of the report that really matters:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Metz donned a mask and crept into the woman's bedroom, awakening her with a knife to her throat.

She managed to grab her gun from her nightstand and shot the intruder; he died almost instantly. Sheriff's officials later determined the shooting was in self-defense and won't bring charges.
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That is the essence of the case. When you wake up and a masked man has a knife at your throat, you don't have the luxury of inquiring into his motives or state of mental health. Since this is a Florida case, I can tell you that it meets the "justified shoot" criteria with room to spare. (I am not a lawyer and that was not legal advice).

The guy's "backsliding" mental status is not an uncommon thing. A lot of people on therapy or meds do not stay on them. If this guy's family and friends knew he was off his meds and getting depressed, I'd like to know what they did about it. Those who knew about his problems and did nothing to help may not be legally liable, but IMHO there is a degree of ethical culpability. Often everybody expects someone else do handle it, or they don't want to get the guy angry by talking about it, so nothing gets done until the guy does something rash. In this case, it was so rash that the woman had to kill him in self defense and nothing can help the guy now.
 
Three cheers for accurate shooting under stress, inthe dark, while half-asleep. Considering this guy was at contact distance, she did well in avoiding getting stabbed. Hope my friends would do as well if need be.
As for "ill", he probably was...sociopathy is an illness of sorts. So is rabies. Are we going to see "evil man shoots ill skunk" headlines?

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Okay, maybe I am unsympathetic but I have had to deal with people who are mentally ill my whole life. It is too bad that some people are mentally ill, retarded, physically disabled... whatever and I truly wish that such things didn't exist BUT they are never an excuse for doing wrong.
If a poor, 12-year-old, retarded, attention deficit, schizophrenic, paraplegic, ethnic-minority girl broke into my house with a knife I wouldn't hesitate to empty a magazine into her. I would feel bad for her but not enough to allow myself or - more importantly- my family to become victims.
My two cents.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
I have survived two home invasions!

The first one I was only seven years old, I witness my parents tied up and threatened by an armed thug in our NYC home. I was not afraid, because I did not know what evil was, until that day. I always looked at my Dad as my protector. That day I saw my Mom and Dad plead for our lives.
The second invasion occurred fourteen years later. This time my Dad had a licensed handgun in a safe (NYC does not allow a Target permit holder to keep your weapon loaded and accessible, one would need a Premise permit). It was of little use to us there! To make a long story short, the intruders panicked when my mother ran to the neighbor’s home to call the police.
I now answer the door with my SW99 in my waistband easily accessible with my Premise permit.
 
What's the point of wondering if he "only" meant to scare her? If someone breaks into your house, intending to scare you by putting a knife to your throat, that's still a good shoot. He shouldn't be excused because he might have "only" been doing something as horrible as threatening a woman with a knife to the throat in her own bed in the middle of the night!

Something else is strange--maybe I just don't know enough about this, but I thought manic depression didn't cause people to attack others this way. I always thought manic depression could cause you to lash out if provoked--but there's no way it would cause you to plan and execute a home invasion, would it? Like I said, I may just be wrong...
 
Someone enters your home uninvited(breaking and entering), while you occupy the home, doesn't matter whether they are masked, whether they are armed, what their mental health is or what their intentions were, common sense says you shoot now, ask questions later....The newspaper article is an indication of how ill our society has become....the victim is lucky to be alive and thank god she reacted quickly. Let the family of the perpetrator debate over his reasons why the perp did what he did....the victim did what she had to do...Dan in GA
 
I think that it is time to contact Candace J. Samolinski, the author of this article, at either csamolinski@tampatrib.comor or (813) 948-4215 and introduce her to reality by telling her all of the things being mentioned in this trend. If she's going to write a story, it should have been something like this ... a young, single woman bravely defended herself against an armed, masked criminal (breaking & entering is a crime and that makes him a criminal) who was mentally unstable and whose actions were a threat to the community (putting a knife to someone's throat are actions which are a danger to the community) ...
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Thank you for the phone #. I left her a polite message suggesting that she check out resources on self-defense rather than condemn a person who's stayed safe in spite of tall odds.
 
Hmmm... I wonder how this story would have ended had Ms. Pittaras done the "responsible" and "safe" thing and kept a trigger lock on her revolver.

Also, did anyone else notice how the article portrayed Metz as a neighborly, "happy-go-lucky" fellow while it gave the impression that his victim was some sort of anti-social "enigma"?
 
This is quite sickening. Once again the victim becomes the criminal, and the criminal becomes the victim. How is this possible?

Just like in the article about the Texas execution of a convicted murderer who happened to score low on intelligence tests. The story was all anout how he was a victim. Very little was mentioned about the victim he brutalized and the family he destroyed.

Notice how the woman is depicted as a stranger, a loner, a possible weirdo, even with the insinuation of an affair... whereas the perp was depicted as a gentle, nice, loving, friendly, caring family man! Ugh, I want to puke!!

Just more indoctrination to turn people into mindless drones who willfully submit to the New World Order.
 
That is why teaching women to shoot improves my mood even more than teaching men to shoot. We really need to make "criminal intruder shot dead" a more common headline than "woman, kids, raped and strangled with their own underwear".
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Funny how the perp's *wife* did not miss him till after the cops got there. Wonder if she would have covered up for his recreational B&E, rape and/or murder...

Barf!
 
Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Mentally ill or not, medicated or not, what this guy did was an extreme, violent, vicious crime. He didn't just wander off at 2 AM and spontaneously decide to do this. He probably practiced, worked up his nerve and did several "trial runs" at this before taking the plunge. I've got $20 that says this was far from this guy's first crime.

Sorry to be un-PC, but good riddance. We have far too many "mentally ill" people running around and if slipping off the meds for a couple weeks turns them into sociopathic rapists, then let's shoot 'em now and get it over with. I suspect, however, that this man's criminal activity is quite unrelated to his mental "illness."
 
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