Talk me out of it

5.56

Now, in my opinion only!

The 5.56 mm round is insufficent for stopping power, too easily affected by wind for snipiing and all around a poor choice too do anything except shoot small game or blow holes in paper.

The reasons it was adopted for our military is because of trade offs in weight per round, hyper velocity for hydraulic shock effect and many other reasons. They are trade offs and compromises. Unless your going to join the miolitary and supply your own weapon, this calibre is a poor choice by almost any definition.

Now, since most of us are not going to supply our own weapons, we don't have to compromise. If money is no object, pick something else. If money is a factor for ammunition, by a .30 calibre. 7.62 is a better round in every categoy there is for almost anything. You can even hunt with ball ammo and have a good chance of killing your game. I would never recommend this as its against most state laws to use fulkl metal jacketed ammuniton for hunting. And if you must have a round that averages over 3000 feet per second, you can load your own 7.62 to a little over 3000 with a bullet weight of 150 grains, thats almost three times the bullet mass per round.

5.56 is a fine round to look cool and have fun with the AR series systems are OK despite their numerous flaws. If you have to have a AR series weapon and plan on defending your life or families lives with it, don't chambger it in 5.56.

Yes my H&k 91 or M1A or FAL is heavier and the ammo is heavier but the .30 ammuniton is superior when it comes to putting your faith in something in an emergency.
 
BTW

By the way boys,

Colt lost their government contracts in 2005 and the government buys them on a as need only basis. Fabrique is the main supplier to the military and the contracts for as need fall to RRA, Bushmaster, Colt and about a half dozen more manufacturers depending on modification and model needs. But you do have one thig righ, your not going to get a Mil Spec weapon unless you buy on a governemnt contract, LIKE ME.
 
there is nothing horribly wrong with 5.56 ive seen people drop with 1 round ive seen them soak up 5 or 6 , it works or the military wouldnt issue it its been around a while. you can make this same statement about any other military round issued exept for 45-70 or mabey some of the martini henry .577loads its not perfect for everything but no round is.
 
5.56

You are absolutely correct!

Thats why I said it was my opinion only. A good 30-06 was the ultimate in its day, the 5.56 is todays favored. I would like to have one of the new .300 whisper rifles that are being introduced. Now that looked pretty cool.

The Honey badger. Take a look at it if you get the chance. But their again, it is more of a specialty weapon than a all around type.
 
Sometimes I just don't get the people here

I'm not in the US military and I don't pretend I need a battle rifle that troops use. I didn't buy my AR15 to look cool, play Army, clear buildings of insurgents, or feel protected.

I bought it because I had the opportunity to do it, I wanted to buy a modern, centerfire rifle with lots of flexibility that shoots a common, inexpensive round, had a good track record for reliability, has good part availability, and has a broad knowledge base behind it. The AR15 meets those criteria and so was the rifle for me. That is it fun to shoot, is a rifle I can shoot all day without fatigue, light, and accurate are bonuses.
 
The 5.56 mm round is insufficent for stopping power, too easily affected by wind for snipiing and all around a poor choice too do anything except shoot small game or blow holes in paper.

Used within it's limitations the 5.56 has PLENTY of stopping power. It is not a long range cartridge and was never intended to be, but inside of 200 yards is as effective as anything else.

With good softpoint ammo it is every bit as good a deer round as anything, but once again with about a 200 yard limit. I know too many people who have used it very successfully. I wouldn't use it on anything larger than humans or deer.

I'm like Chris B. My AR's serve multiple purposes, The rifles are fairly cheap for the quality. Mine are extremely accurate and are cheap to shoot. I reload for almost all my centerfire rifles, but can buy 223 ammo so cheap I don't even bother for this round. I have 3 rifles. One set up as a target/varmit gun with a 20" heavy target barrrel. With good ammo it will put 3 shots into 1/2" at 200 yards. The other 2 have lightweight 16" barels set up with iron sights with a red dot sight on the other.
 
The local Wally-World here has the DMPS model for around 600.00, I'm not real interested in the AR platform but that seems like a good price right?:)
 
Buy the lower and upper separate. You can get pretty much whatever you want and save a bit that way. Top with an EOTech and you are ready for fun!
 
go for a Colt 6721 if you want the best !!
I heartily agree!
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Here is your help, brother

Don't get a AR becuse than you have to buy powder, brass, bullets, dies, and hours developing just the right load. You will spend hours shooting and reloading, dollar after dollar on gas going to and from the range. miss spending time with your wife and children, you will neglect your work and have to become a professional shooter just to survie.don't buy and AR. Get direct-tv.
 
Everyone should have an AR at this point. Pick your reason and get it. You don't have to be a para military mindset to own one. The fact that the Military does use them makes the AR's a very good logistical choice for civvie use as well. All the cheap Mags and ammo and components make it a no brainer.
 
having a chance to think about it, what are your general impressions of ARs in .308/7.62x51mm?

Is there a reason to bother with that over a simple, decent quality .308 (A la savage 110)?
 
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"and the contracts for as need fall to RRA,"

When did the government ever buy anything from Rock River Arms? I've never heard or seen anything about this...
 
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