Tactical Success Yields Nightmare Image

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By David A. Vise
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday , April 23, 2000 ; A01

Their orders were simple, their mission complex, their raid a tactical success. But in three lightning minutes early yesterday morning,
armed federal agents also left behind a searing image of a frightened
child facing an automatic weapon.

On Thanksgiving Day, Elian Gonzalez was rescued at sea by two fishermen after the child's mother and other refugees died en route
from Cuba. Yesterday, sandwiched between Good Friday and Easter,
one of those fishermen held the 6-year-old in his arms as a federal agent in riot gear brandished a gun and ordered the boy to be
turned over.

All day long, the images appeared over and over on television screens around the world: federal agents using a battering ram to
smash through the door of the Miami house where Elian was staying,
police using pepper spray outside to force the crowd away from the home, and the moment – captured forever in a still photograph –
when the helmeted federal agent pointed a weapon toward young
Elian and the fisherman as they hid together in a bedroom closet.

While the raid was a tactical success, experts said, the photo created a public relations problem. And in the aftermath, questions are
being raised by Elian's Miami relatives and others about the methods
the federal agents used, their decision to go in, and the reason for the heavy artillery they brought with them.

"The way it happened is an example of the way it should not be done," said child psychiatrist Stanley I. Greenspan, who has been
watching the situation closely. "We created an unnecessary risk – the
degree of severity of which is impossible to assess at the moment."

Justice Department officials say the decision to seize the boy in the predawn raid came after all-night negotiations broke down. That
left them with no other choice but to go in.

When they did, the operation involved more than 130 federal agents who had trained for the raid and who operated under strict terms
of engagement that officials say they adhered to completely. Their
goal was to get in and out of the house as quickly as possible, and to retrieve Elian with a minimum of violence.

Justice Department officials had received reports that there could be weapons in the house and among the small crowd of
demonstrators outside. So the immigration officers and federal marshals who
participated were armed and under strict instructions to shoot only in self-defense or to save a human life.

In the end, there was a strong show of force and an abundance of threats but there were no serious injuries or deaths. And nobody
pulled a trigger, federal officials point out.

"Nobody was hurt, no shots were fired and the law was followed so it was a success," said Robert M. Bryant, former deputy director of
the FBI. "They had the lawful right to enter the premises and they
have to handle the situation so nobody gets hurt, including the family, the little boy and the officers. They secured the area, and got
in and got out. . . . It worked out well."

Reno had been advised that the best time to strike was in the dark of night, when the smallest crowd of demonstrators would be
present. The plan was to go in at 4 a.m., but Reno pushed it back to 5 so
negotiators could have more time. The agents were instructed to knock on the door a couple of times, identify themselves loudly and
clearly, and offer a version of the following statement: "We are not
here to harm anyone. We are here to return Elian to his father. He is not going to Cuba. He is not going to be put on a boat."

Then, the orders were to give the family the chance to open the door and turn the boy over peacefully. When that didn't happen,
federal agents used their battering ram to enter the premises forcibly,
warning those inside to turn over Elian and step aside lest they be shot, officials say. A quick search for Elian ensued, the boy was
discovered in a closet, an unarmed female agent grabbed him and
rushed him out to a van waiting outside.

"They said it should take three minutes in the house and that is exactly what it took," a federal law enforcement official said
yesterday. In discussions before the raid, federal agents training for the
exercise had been implored to preserve the safety of the child above all else and to refrain from firing their weapons. But they were
also told they had the flexibility to fire if necessary in self-defense.

"We had to make sure our agents could protect themselves," said Deputy Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. "We didn't go in there
with the intention to intimidate anyone. . . . We had information
there may have been weapons in the house."

According to photographer Alan Diaz, who was doing freelance work for the Associated Press, Elian was tearful and afraid as the raid
ensued. "Que esta pasando [What's happening]?" Elian asked as
the federal agents entered the house. "Nothing's happening, baby. Everything's going to be all right," Diaz, a 43-year-old of Cuban
descent, said he answered back to Elian.

The federal agent who discovered Elian hiding in the closet had his gun raised without his finger on the trigger, but his demeanor
showed determination.

"Back off," the agent wearing goggles and green riot gear told Diaz, who had developed a relationship with the Gonzalez family and
was standing nearby when the boy was discovered in the closet. In
the living room, an agent had pinned Lazaro Gonzalez, the boy's great-uncle and the leader of his Miami relatives, on the couch. In
the bedroom, a Spanish-speaking federal agent scooped up Elian.

The raid followed the final round of marathon talks between Reno and Elian's Miami relatives in a bid for a negotiated solution.
Eventually, those failed and Reno, who had been criticized for repeated
delays, notified the White House of her decision to send in federal marshals around 4:30 a.m.

"The process took too long," said Irwin Redlener, a pediatrician and professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York who
had advised Reno on the case.

There was a growing sense of urgency in Washington that the Miami family could not be allowed to hold a child whose legal custody
had been transferred to his father and that they seemed to have
paralyzed the federal government. Neither Reno nor President Clinton wanted to trigger a riot in Miami or conduct the raid on Good
Friday or Easter, sources familiar with the strategy said. And the
attorney general had been advised that a nighttime raid would produce the smallest possible confrontation and the greatest chance
for a safe exit, even though she also had been told that removing the boy
at night would be more traumatic for Elian than if he were taken during the day.

As yesterday wore on, the photo – taken by Diaz – of the frightened child in the closet looking down the barrel of a gun was
accompanied by a new image of a boy with sparkling eyes and a joyous
smile climbing into the arms of his waiting father.
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This photo will be very famous, and the Clinton administration is not happy about its existence. Mr. Gore is especially unhappy, I'll wager.


Let me pose the obvious question. Based upon these tactics, and the possibility of weapons either in the house, or outside, what would have happened if things did not go 'well', eh? Was it really worth risking this boy's life for such a raid? In essence, the Clinton administration decided to risk life in order to bring this matter to an end.

The fact that it 'worked out well' does not change the fact that they took a calculated risk. They took a similar risk at Waco, and either incinerated or essentially helped to incinerate over two dozen kids. Elian was lucky today.

It is fitting that the Clinton administration finally produced this defining photo. As a matter of fact, it appears to fit like a glove.

Regards from AZ
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So the immigration officers and federal marshals who
participated were armed and under strict instructions to shoot only in self-defense or to save a human life.[/quote]

What other instructions regarding the use of deadly force could there possibly (legally) be?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> . . . warning those inside to turn over Elian and step aside lest they be shot, officials say.[/quote]

Excuse me?

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
ONCE AGAIN, JACK BOOTED THUGS, WRAPPED IN KEVLAR, WITH MP5 MACHINE GUNS IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT IN RARE FORM.

KNOCK,KNOCK, We're from the government.
Were here to help you. Yea......Sure.......
right!

STAND ASIDE LEAST YOU BE SHOT!

This to unarmed civilians in their own home.

Remember ,liberals,that it can't happen here
in America. Yea......Sure.....Right!

Wake up and watch your constitutional rights eroding, one by one, a little piece at a time,
just like your Second Ammendment rights are
now being salimi sliced to shreds.

And make sure by VOTING, that the GOREACRAT does not get elected to purbatrate yet more VICTIM DISARMAMENT schemes utilizing once again more JACK BOOTED THUGS on law abiding firearms civil rights coherents.
 
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> ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
> America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization
>
> Date: April 22, 2000
>
> Federal Agents Storm Private Residence Before Dawn
>
> Federal agents stormed a private residence at 5 a.m. on
> Saturday, April 22, 2000. Their mission was to capture a
> six-year-old boy, Elian Gonzalez, from his sleeping quarters.
> The agents were carrying out orders to take young Elian out
> of the house by force and reunite him with his father, Juan
> Gonzalez, in Washington, D.C. Mr. Gonzalez' expressed
> intention is to return with the boy to Cuba.
>
> The federal agents numbered approximately 20. They smashed
> down the front fence gate and then smashed down the front
> door of the home with a battering ram. Carrying automatic
> rifles, the agents reportedly demanded the boy be turned
> over to them, or else they would "shoot" the adults in the
> home.
>
> In a few minutes time, the federal agents obtained the
> screaming child at gunpoint and whisked him into a waiting
> van. Outside, federal agents, guns drawn, held protesters
> face down on the ground. As the vans drove away, the federal
> agents launched pepper spray into the crowd.
>
> No documents we have found suggest that the federal agents
> had a warrant to arrest and seize the boy. They operated at
> the direction of the Immigration and Naturalization Service,
> a division of the Department of Justice.
>
> We have located no court order to seize the boy. The agents
> operated under the authority of Attorney General Janet Reno.
>
> We have found no provision in the U.S. Constitution that
> authorizes the federal government to make and enforce custody
> decisions. We have found no provision in the U.S. Constitution
> that authorizes warrantless home invasions to capture innocent
> persons.
>
> Whether the "right" thing is to return Elian to his father
> and ultimately to communist Cuba or not, this show of federal
> force in a custody dispute should worry every American.
>
> Just imagine how much violent force the Attorney General
> will authorize to seize "illegal firearms" held by otherwise
> nonviolent citizens who refuse to voluntarily hand over their
> guns.
>
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>
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> For Americans who don't know their Bill of Rights, now is the
> time to send them a copy of Gran'pa Jack's Common Sense. When
> people know the history and the language of their rights, perhaps
> they'll see the INS home invasion a little differently.
>
> Click on http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack3.htm
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[This message has been edited by ernest2 (edited April 23, 2000).]
 
Jeff Thomas asks:

< Let me pose the obvious question. Based upon these tactics, and the possibility of weapons either in the house, or outside, what would have happened if things did not go 'well', eh? Was it really worth risking this boy's life for such a raid? In essence, the Clinton administration decided to risk life in order to bring this matter to an end.>

Exactly right. This was merely a custody case, and the boy was not in any danger prior to the arrival of the JBTs. They weren't doing it for the boy, but for political reasons. Clearly Clinton is willing to risk the lives of everyone in that house for political purposes.
 
Tim,

I think it’s even worse than that. Given the history of Waco, Ruby Ridge and
other raids, I think Clinton consciously was willing to *kill* everyone in that
house for political purposes.

And what bothers me even more is the lack of condemnation of Clinton and
Reno.

Where is the rest of our government?
Where are the Republicans?
Where are the Presidential candidates?
Why isn’t the press vilifying the decision to use SWAT?
Why aren’t Americans demonstrating in the streets?

Who should have Elian is not the question.
How well SWAT performed is not the question.

Why does a child custody case justify the use of SWAT?

Gun owners should be scared. Very scared.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
What sweet revenge.
All year long Clinto and Reno have been shamelessly exploiting sensational news clips for their own perverted purposes, whipping up the emotions of every mindless Know Nothing and Ner-Do-Well in the country against honest men.
Maybe their own vicious, rowdy dogs will now pull them down.
 
And there was a drug lab at Waco!!!Wise up they will say anything to justify their actions!!!!!!!


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beemerb
We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world;
and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men
every day who don't know anything and can't read.
-Mark Twain
 
Sorry> I replied before reading all posts

[This message has been edited by FNG (edited April 23, 2000).]
 
Well, let me be the voice of (limited) dissention here. As was pointed out, the raid was a tactical success, and no one was injured, much less killed. As a retired Federal LEO, I would have planned and executed the raid essentially the same as the Marshalls did. Kudos to them on that score. I would NOT, however, have felt it necessary to point a weapon at anyone unless they were making a furtive movement towards a weapon or what could have been a weapon. Neither can I justify telling someone to hand over the boy or he would be shot. I learned a long time ago not to bluff in these situations, and there would be no possible justification to use deadly force on someone who was merely holding a kidnap victim, unless he had a weapon or the child's life was in imminent danger.

IMHO, the raid was well executed, justified, and necessary, however the level of force used was greater than I would have permitted had I been in charge.


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Gary L. Griffiths
Chief Instructor
Advanced Force Tactics, Inc.
 
Gary, would you also have insisted on a warrant before busting the door down?

The whole thing was a master f***k up. No jack boots, no gas masks, no flack jackets, no SMG's, no battering rams, and certainly not at 5 a.m.

Just ordinary cops, dressed in uniforms for normal duty. The relatives of the kid have given no one the idea that they would resist with force.
 
The latest BS on TV (less than 1hour ago)was taht there is a RUMOR that there was a warrant...How's that for due process and the 4th amendment?

Prior to this, it was an arbitrary call by Reno & Slick Willie to "extricate". This was a beaurocratic decision, though it was, of course, based on their expertise and integrity, so I'm sure the polls had nothing to do with it.

As to the 11th court of appeals ruling; that'll be even easier to side step than the 4th amendment. Just get Elian to sign a piece of paper---shouldn't be too hard under his present surroundings. Let that paper be a statement rescinding his request for assylum.

(This was a fear expresssed by his Miami relatives and the reason for their "non-cooperation"--that his mother had died in vain and that Elian would NOT get his day in an American court)

He'll be aboard a plane back to Cuba before you can say "What dead mother?"

Well, at least the Nazis gave Anne Frank 5 minutes to pack...
 
Well, it's here folks, we knew it would happen, right?

We've become a nation of ruled men instead of a nation of governed men.

No court order, a dictum from the INS alone was the only justification for a home invasion and child seizure at gunpoint.

Wonder why the UN and the Clinton administration want your firearms now?

This is a sad day for America. This is what Jefferson warned about when he referred to "Tyrants".

It's up to us all to defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights from this rogue government.

If you don't vote in this upcoming election, you deserve exactly what you get...
 
Knowing that the press was there, i would of had the subguns controling the room but not pointed at the kid

a female agent should of taken Elian from the
fisherman in the closet

they may have controled the house but they blew the press spin

dZ
 
Gary:

Did your organization's SOP include pointing a Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine gun at an unrmed man holding a six year old child? If this was a well executed raid I would hate to see a poorly executed one.
 
Hard Ball, et al:

Without defending the decision to execute this raid (if there was no warrant, it seems unjustifiable to me), I'll say this, in agreement with Gary:

Suspects, for lack of a better word, get guns pointed at them all the time by police, in the real world. Many of them turn out to be innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time. Whether it's a "hot stop" of a vehicle or a raid like this, until officers get control of the situation and determine who is good or bad, who is armed or not, someone may get a gun pointed at them. Reality, whether we like it or not. Crank up the speed of the situation like this... clearing a house and exiting in 3 minutes... and there's no time to fart around. You take control, and get out.

I am no fan of Herr Clinton and Minister Reno. I think we really discredit LEO's unfairly by using the term "jackbooted thugs" broadly. They are following orders, just like our troops do. It's the orders we disagree with, right? Indiscriminately using the term JACKBOOTED THUGS to describe our LEO's reminds me of our soldiers who came home from VietNam and were spat upon and called "Babykillers". I think it does a great disservice to both. If you have a problem, it's with the people who give the orders, or our national/foreign policy. IMHO.

[This message has been edited by Covert Mission (edited April 25, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>and there would be no possible justification to use deadly force on someone who was merely holding a kidnap victim, unless he had a weapon or the child's life was in imminent danger.[/quote]

Kidnap victim!?!??! He is a Cuban national who came to the US seeking asylum. He was living with relatives. The man who was holding him had saved his life by pulling him out of shark infested waters. Doesn't sound like a kidnap victim to me!
 
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