tactical shotguns

The word tactical has no meaning in regard to hardware, it is simply a marketing touch stone to separate you and I from $$$$. Tactics is the mental process that melds humans with hardware; it is a statement of human readiness not of hardware design. In my mind Dogs is 100% rock solid correct in his statements, humans are either tactical or not, hardware simply is.

The shorthand of “tactical” meaning some how better or more lethal in my mind has become boring and it is time to move on. The industry has, the new cash cow has become “long range” and “sniper”, thank god.

NOBBY 45 – just to clear the air, Wilson purchased the right to manufacture Scattergun Technologies shotguns, no where in Scattergun Tech original catalogues did the word tactical representing their hardware appear, they knew better. Simply because a company jumps on the “hot key” market strategy to sell more guns, does not make the word usable or correct.
I tend to call serious social work shotguns, fighting scatterguns. It is simply my short hand for a scattergun that exhibits the traits I find necessary in a defensive weapon. We here have spent lots of space on what makes a good one, a simple review of our previous posts has lots to say.

As my mentor frequently stated, "the best fighting shotgun is the one your body is wrapped around when the stuff hits the fan."
Good Luck & Be Safe
 
Brent,
Great tactical toilet paper analogy -- well done. :D
I don't want to hazard a guess about its camo pattern.
 
Ladies, Gennulmen and Liberals, my $.02....

'Tactical" is as over and misused as "New and Improved" and for much the same reason.

When it comes to human life or death hinging on the outcome of a crisis involving firearms, I prefer the term "Serious". But maybe that's just me.

Darn near ANY reliable shotgun is capable of good service in an emergency If the operator is capable of using it effectively.

Aye, there's the rub. Using it effectively means we have to shoot the thing, or a similar tool.

16th century swordsman and instructor Guillaime De Coucy said that one should practice with the blade until one forgets where the sword ends and the hand starts. Still good advice.

Here's more.....

Pick a well made and known brand of shotgun. It should be reliable, easily maintained, comfortable to operate and capable of being handled ungently.

Next, buy ammo, use up and repeat until you know your weapon down on the muscular memory level, well enough to function at zero dark 30, ten seconds out of a sound sleep in low light, because you may need to....

Tactical, Schmactical. In that situation it doesn't matter what color your shotgun is, whose catalog is bolted to it, or if Cirillo, Ayoob or Copper have blessed it with Holy Hoppe's 9.

It just matters if you can use it.......
 
I have an mp3 payer duct taped to my forend that plays really cool music like all the tactical accessory vendors use in the background of their promotional videos. Does that make my 870 Tactikool?
 
tac·ti·cal (tkt-kl)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or using tactics.
2.
a. Of, relating to, used in, or involving military or naval operations that are smaller, closer to base, and of less long-term significance than strategic operations.
b. Carried out in support of military or naval operations: tactical bombing.
3. Characterized by adroitness, ingenuity, or skill.

This term is an adjective that describes human action, not the tools used during those actions. It is a demonstration of one's ignorance to apply it to any weapon.
 
"I have an mp3 payer duct taped to my forend that plays really cool music like all the tactical accessory vendors use in the background of their promotional videos."

You stole this idea from the movie Kelly's Heroes where he has the music-blaring loudspeaker mounted on his tank.
 
Last Sunday I saw some new shows on TV, were about concealed carry type stuff. I think that will be the next cash cow on guns. Anyone see just hpw many permit requests hit Iowa on Monday? Soon it will be hard to find someone not carrying :)
 
"You stole this idea from the movie Kelly's Heroes where he has the music-blaring loudspeaker mounted on his tank."

I don't even know if I saw that, but I may have unconsicously borrowed from the scene in Apocalypse Now in which Robert Duvall leads air cavalry Hueys in an attack on VC while a PA system broadcasts Flight of the Valkyries.
 
NOBBY 45 – just to clear the air, Wilson purchased the right to manufacture Scattergun Technologies shotguns, no where in Scattergun Tech original catalogues did the word tactical representing their hardware appear, they knew better. Simply because a company jumps on the “hot key” market strategy to sell more guns, does not make the word usable or correct.
I tend to call serious social work shotguns, fighting scatterguns. It is simply my short hand for a scattergun that exhibits the traits I find necessary in a defensive weapon. We here have spent lots of space on what makes a good one, a simple review of our previous posts has lots to say.

Well, true, for the most part. I've done my share of trying to get the world to get on my bandwagon, but in most cases, I've found it easier to speak their language. It's a common language we're all familiar with, in any event, even if it isn't technically correct. Many words and phrases have lost their original intent and taken on a new meaning--- and no one seems willing to be properly educated to the fact.



It's like the Chicken or the Egg came first analogy. Both those who sell the product and those using it have, for better or worse, adapted "tactical" as the accepted language. The .45 Colt has been renamed Long Colt, the Commander is now called the Lightweight Commander, and SD and LE equipment is now tactical. I've made my peace with that.:)
 
I think the proper analogy relative to "tactical" would be a regular deer rifle vs. an AK or M-16. Any of these would provide a sufficient defense, but only the AK or M-16 would be considered tactical. To me, the same applies to a regular 1187 as opposed to the 1187 Police model.

Just my opinion.

-Cheers
 
replay to johnbt

"8 shots of 2 3/4 00 buck in 2 seconds"

But did you hit anything?

Seriously. This is important.
Never missed, kelp all of the shots at a man sized target between the chest and the head, at 15 yards.

Also my Benelli M1, has no accessories on it, nothing more than standard iron sights, not even ghost sights, no lights or lasers, not even a sling, just its 7 shot magazine tube and a 20' barrel.
 
I have no tactical guns. All of mine are strategic.
Something like this? That has to be hard to carry around. :p

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Quote: rigby06
able to shoot 8 shots of 2 3/4 00 buck in 2 seconds

Quote: Oneounce load
Is there a reason why you feel the need to be able do so ?

Personally, I have never had the need - perhaps you can provide some personal experience where this was necessary.................
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"A few years ago,when I shot USPSA Completion with my 1911, and S&W Mod 19, we would sometimes have a side match with shotguns & pepper poppers, or once in awhile we would try some kind of rifle match.
 
Lets see 8 shot in 2 seconds, how about Tom Knapp, but then he shoots at moving targets.

Shooting 8 shots at a hanging piece of paper is a waste of 7 shots. Proves nothing, just that some one likes to throw away 7 rounds of ammo.

If your that good (8 shots in 2 seconds) how about 2 shots at two targets, real easy just break the clay bird as it flys past. And the nice part is you do not have to use heavy loaded buck shot just some lighter number 9 shot.
 
the Commander is now called the Lightweight Commander

Actually, I thought the Commander was the steel framed version and the Lightweight Commander is the aluminum framed one...just sayin'.
 
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