T/C Dimension: Switching calibers, but what about the scope?

Beardosaurus

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I was looking at getting one of these in .243, and then later getting a larger caliber for bigger hunts. My thinking is this: on a big hunt I can have the rifle set up for the target animal, but if along the way I want to do some varminting I can switch over. The question: What to do about the scope, short of memorizing the ballistics table for the weights and powder charges and distances.
 
same as the Contenders & Encore ( switch barrel guns ) the scope stays with the barrel... you really need two scopes... & that way you can have a scope better suited to the ballistics of the caliber...
 
You can download the owners manual online at T/C's web page. They have two ways to mount a scope on that rifle. One is Weaver bases attached to the receiver in which case you'll need some kind of QR rings to swap out scopes. The other is a "bridge" or "cantilever" type mount that stays attached to the barrel as MWM stated.
 
Beard, to me the rifle has its draw backs. If you have to buy a barrel and bolt, you have spent almost as much on them as you would pay for the TC Venture. If you stayed in the same bolt group, the price for a barrel is reasonable, but I dont like it nearly as well as I like the switch barrel systems where the scope stays with the action. Just my 2 cents, but if I have to buy a barrel, bolt, scope, and mounts; I just assume dedicate a rifle to that cartridge.
 
I've been mulling that over, believe me. One of the main factors I'm concerned with is weight and pack-ability. If I can carry 2 calibers into the field for an extended stay with less weight and more mobility then all the better.
 
Beardosaurus said:
I've been mulling that over, believe me. One of the main factors I'm concerned with is weight and pack-ability. If I can carry 2 calibers into the field for an extended stay with less weight and more mobility then all the better.

What do you need that for? Just find a cartridge that covers a lot of bases. Say you pick a .22-250 & .308 for simplicity sake. Now you are carrying a rifle an extra barrel, scope, and ammunition at a minimum. Why not just pick somethin in .243 if you need to cover deer to varmints. If larger game is on the menu pick something in a 6.5 or larger, no one says you can't shoot small things with larger calibers.

For extended times off in the boonies, simplicity is your friend. Don't over complicate things by trying to carry too much. If you really have to go with two barrels you would be better off with a single shot system, carry a rifle barrel and a shotgun barrel. Shotgun barrels weigh less than rifle barrels, and don't require optics. Plus if small game is what you're after the shot gun is more versatile for taking edible small game than a center fire rifle.

Now if you want an extra barrel to leave in camp or the truck while hunting that's a different story. However, what happens if you take a spill and break the stock? You'd be better of bringing a second rifle instead of a spare barrel.
 
missed the point?

My thinking is this: on a big hunt I can have the rifle set up for the target animal, but if along the way I want to do some varminting I can switch over. The question: What to do about the scope, short of memorizing the ballistics table for the weights and powder charges and distances.

I think the OP is not asking about switching scopes, but about what to do when switching ammo (big game - varmint).

He mentions a .243, and also mentions both target animal (big game) and varmints. SO, what is the difference, in his rifle, between the big game ammo (100/105gr bullets) and his varmint ammo (70?80?90?gr bullets)?

There are only two practical ways to do it, and only one that is common. Either use a separate scope for each, zeroed for the ammo to be used, or use a single scope, and learn the differece in the adjustments needed for proper zero (the most common way).

With the T/C Contender ( & Encore), since the scope mounts on the barrel, once zeroed, they (usually) return to zero pretty well. However, any time you dismount and remount a scope there is a chance it will not be at proper zero, so one should ALWAYS check by firing test groups.

Leaving one scope mounted retains the zero you set (unless something happens to knock it out of alignment, like the case falling out of the airplace onto the pavement during baggage handline, etc). It is always a good idea to verify the zero before starting the hunt.

What most of us do is zero for our main load (deer load?), and then shoot the varmint load, and see where it hits on the target. Memorize (write down) how many clicks, in which direction(s) you need to move the crosshairs to zero for the new load. Then just adjust the scope for one load or the other by counting the clicks.

Some people tape a card with the info on the stock, some keep it with their hunting license, or some other place it won't get lost. Some people use this method for adjusting for the range also. Zero at 100yds, then when the game is 250yds, look at the card and add in the right number of clicks to hold dead on.

others of us just use Kentucky Windage, keeping the same sight setting, but holding "off" the estimated amount. For example, if I know that my deer load hits 2 inches higher and half an inch to the left at 100yds than my varmint load (for example) I can either crank in the adjustment to the scope, or just put the crosshairs a bit "off" to get the hit. Both ways work, but holding off requires your estimates to be correct, in both range/windage AND hold off aim. Faster, but not as precise.

Better (easier) for big game, where you may have time, and other pressure on the shot, where an inch or two difference still gets you a good hit. For small targets like varmints, a slight misestimation of hold can mean a clean miss, so its usually better to dial in the scope for the small targets, and adjust back for big ones, if you have time, or hold off, if you don't.
 
I just don't get the whole switch barrel concept, other than not having to go through the ATF BS to get another barrel I don't see the benefit.
 
What are you planning to do? Blast away at varmits in deer or elk country? If you are hunting big game focus on that game. Leave varmits for another time. Then the idea of a switch barrel makes more sense.
 
I just don't get the whole switch barrel concept, other than not having to go through the ATF BS to get another barrel I don't see the benefit.

Not everyone sees the benefit. For me, the benefit is getting another caliber to shoot (while keeping the same grip and trigger pull), for usually less than half the cost of another complete gun.

A plus with the T/C system, the sights (and scope) are mounted on the barrel. So sight settings remain the same, (generally, assuming no shock or bump knocks them out of alighment) so there is no need to rezero your gun when you change barrels, although confirming there has been no change to the zero is always a good idea.

One drawback to the T/C system is that you need a different scope for each barrel, to take full advantage of it.

The real concept is overall utility. And yes, while one should concentrate on the game being hunted, during the hunt, one might hunt several different species of big and small game in the same area during the same time (many places have small game seasons that run into or through big game season).

The utility of needing only another barrel (scoped if desired) and opening a different box of ammo to be able to hunt either one.

While I don't have any T/C carbines, I have a good decade's worth of experience with the Contender as a handgun (barrels up to 14"), I can tell you that having a .30-30, .35 Rem, or .45-70 barrel for big game, and another in .22LR, WMR, or .22 Hornet and a box of ammo in the pack gives you a lot more options, for very little space and weight. Considerably less space and weight than a complete second gun.

Considering the historical lack of success of switch barrel rifles, not many people seem to get it...

True enough, many switch barrel designs have not done well in the commercial market. And there are several reasons, only some of them relating to the actual design or performance.

First off, switch barrel rifles are most easily made as break action single shots. That right there puts them in a niche market, those people who will use (and be happy with) a single shot. The number of people who would choose a second barrel instead of a different gun is an even smaller market.

There have been a few switch barrel repeaters (and by switch barrel, I mean guns that can be switched in the field, with just hand tools such as a screwdriver, etc). When using a bolt action switch barrel, there is an additional restriction on choices, if one uses the same bolt face, one must stick with cartridges in the same family. And the complexity of a bolt action switch barrel means it usually costs a good bit more than a conventional bolt action.

Another strike is the level of accuracy desired and delivered. Some switch barrel guns are as accurate as comparable fixed barrel guns, others are not. Getting 2MOA from a big game setup will do the job at reasonable ranges. Getting the same 2 MOA groups if switched to a varmint caliber might be unacceptable. And there's no way to know beforehand, you have to shoot them to find out.
 
44 Amp, I was not even thinking of the Contender or Encore. I own several Contenders and love them. I was really referencing the switch barrel bolt rifles as being unsuccessful.
 
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