SYG Shooter Found Guilty of Manslaughter

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I agree. I think the jury was racist and reactionary
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Are you saying the jury was not made up of his 'peers'? Was there more jurors of color than white?

The silver lining of this whole ordeal is that the shooter will definitely learn his lesson and will stop being aggressive and confronting people for committing minor infractions of parking laws. :rolleyes:
 
ligonierbill said:
You've led a sheltered life.

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I sincerely hope many of the posters here do take deep offense at my words.
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Ad hominem and the expression of a hope to offend are not valuable analytical elements.
 
zincwarrior said:
Do you have a case where it went the other way?
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A Florida case in which a defendant claimed self-defense in shooting an unarmed assailant? I believe the Zimmerman case was in Florida.

It wasn't a Florida case, but I believe part of the shooting of Michael Brown by Darren Wilson involved Brown first running from Wilson and then toward him.
 
Where I come from what McGlockton did would be seen as unnecessary and cowardly.
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We see things differently what he did yes, was unnecessary. Verbally abusing a woman and then shooting dead her partner, for me Trumps pushing someone in the unnecessary and cowardly acts. I wonder how brave he would have being seeking out confrontation if he was not armed. Again i am surprised some are defend this man and his actions, thankfully the jury did not.

Drejka also said that his "pet peeve" was illegal parking in disabled spaces, and he admitted to police that he had frequently taken photos of offending cars.

Court documents revealed he had been accused as an aggressor in four other road incidents between 2012 and 2018. In three of them, prosecutors alleged that he threatened people with a gun.
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If you defend the shooter and do not take offense at my words, by which I attempted to show the evil intent of such actions, I suggest that you read them again.

Where in the world would you expect to berate a woman unknown to you and not get a response of some level of violence, be it only verbal, from her husband/boy friend? That place is sheltered from the real world.
 
manta49 said:
Where I come from what McGlockton did would be seen as unnecessary and cowardly.
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We see things differently what he did yes, was unnecessary.
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So, in that respect, you do not see it differently.

manta49 said:
Again i am surprised some are defend this man and his actions, thankfully the jury did not.
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I believe you confuse a question about his criminal culpability with a defense of his actions. An act can be unwise yet not criminal.

ligonierbill said:
Where in the world would you expect to berate a woman unknown to you and not get a response of some level of violence, be it only verbal, from her husband/boy friend? That place is sheltered from the real world.
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Rather than try to offend, you might like to untangle your analysis. The violence in this episode was actual violence. One could reasonably expect an oral response, but that wouldn't be violent since it was just oral.

It's nice that you don't approve of yelling at women; I don't either. That itself shouldn't justify violence.
 
I never said it did, but for me being pushed does not warrant shooting someone.
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Given the violence of the initial attack and fact it left him completely at the mercy of loosing his life by the attacker as well as age discrepancy...

It is more than reasonable that this man feared for his life.
 
I never said it did, but for me being pushed does not warrant shooting someone.
Given the violence of the initial attack and fact it left him completely at the mercy of loosing his life by the attacker as well as age discrepancy...

It is more than reasonable that this man feared for his life.
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Thankfully the jury seen it differently. There is a big leap from being pushed to fearing for your life. That's called catastrophic thinking i am glad i do not have that affliction, i have being pushed plenty of times and shooting the person doing the pushing is the last thing i would think of doing. We obviously have a different mindset here regarding threats, threat levels and how to deal with them.
 
Now that I think about it the last time I was in Ireland a guy did shove me, or at least try to, and threaten to kill me over a relatively minor issue. He had been drinking as well. That's never happened in my private life in the US since I reached the age of maturity.

So we may be talking about a cultural divide between Ireland and the US.
 
So we may be talking about a Now that I think about it the last time I was in Ireland a guy did shove me, or at least try to, and threaten to kill me over a relatively minor issue. He had been drinking as well. That's never happened in my private life in the US since I reached the age of maturity.

So we may be talking about a cultural divide between Ireland and the US. Ireland and the US
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There is a cultural divide between Northern Ireland ( UK ) and the Republic of Ireland they are two different countries. So when you say Ireland you need to be more specific, that's like me saying i was in America, but actually in Canada. PS I hope you didn't shoot him. :)
 
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lesson from all this is don't lay hands on somebody just because they have a big mouth.
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Or another lesson could be don't shoot someone for laying hands on you and think all you have to say is i felt my life was threatened, or as in this case you could end up in jail over what started out as a minor incident.
 
Or another lesson could be don't shoot someone for laying hands on you and think all you have to say is i felt my life was threatened, or as in this case you could end up in jail over what started out as a minor incident.
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I think the shooting was justified (but questionable) and the shooter poisoned his defense with his prior acts of being a dick. The main lesson: Don't be a dick.

We also don't know what all he said to the cops before getting a lawyer. Secondary lesson: Shut up.
 
This discussion area is about Law and Civil Rights. Let's keep the discussion on the topic of the shooting and the verdict, and leave discussions of what "racism" means today for some other forum.
 
zukiphile said:
I would resist a simple test that concludes that an attack has stopped soley based on an assailant's direction of travel. That a person is walking away from me doesn't mean that he is done attacking me.

Andrew Brannan walked away from a PO...to his truck, from which he retrieved a carbine he use to kill the PO. I don't recommend watching the dashcam video, but it does exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrC5QV_Yrc
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Yes, but if he was to continue the attack, he would then need to move toward the guy on the ground..he did not..he was shot first. If the attacker had started to change directions, toward the guy on the ground then the SYG law would have more legs..but he was moving away..
Backing away is NOT walking away.
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Irrelevant..direction of travel is what's important and whether or not he 'may' go to his car and get a gun..also irrelevant..not part of this case.
 
The defense questioned Kelly on why he waited to come forward with that information.

Kelly's boss, John Tyler, also testified about how Drejka called him to complain about Kelly.

"He told me that I was lucky," Tyler said. "He said if I had a gun, he said I could've shot him. I said, 'I feel sorry that you would feel that way.' I said 'I carry a gun and my training I was taught to remove yourself from those situations.'"
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Interesting. Why would he call the guy's boss to complain about parking?
 
Zimmerman is not appropriate. I said a case where the defendant was attacked, the victim moved back and was shot, and it was successful ly considered self defense.
 
It wasn't a Florida case, but I believe part of the shooting of Michael Brown by Darren Wilson involved Brown first running from Wilson and then toward him.
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I'd encourage anyone with an interest in that case to read the final report. Brown was not running when he was shot. The first shots occurred when Brown reached into the car to seize the officer's gun. Subsequent shots were fired when the officer exited the vehicle and Brown advanced on him.

Or another lesson could be don't shoot someone for laying hands on you and think all you have to say is i felt my life was threatened
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I was told at an early age, "you can have a gun, or you can have a temper. Pick one."

When I have the means of lethal force at hand, it behooves me to be patient and measured in my actions. It's not a tool for winning an argument or settling confrontations that could be resolved any other way.

Our legal system agrees. Society strongly discourages violence, and it really frowns on homicide. If I have to resort to lethal force, I need a REALLY good reason. Not a justification or an excuse: a compelling reason.

SYG laws don't remove that responsibility. Even with the most lenient use-of-force laws, the use of legal force is going to trigger serious scrutiny. The jury will, on some level, ask whether there was anything I could have done to avoid killing someone.

And in Drejka's case, there certainly was.
 
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