Sweet Jesus, help me pick a gun

The Ruger may be ugly but it is a great gun. Built like a tank, very reliable, accurate. Rent one to see how it feels to you if you still don't like it you haven't lost much.

The CZ is a great deal. Probably as good as a Ruger for about the same price or just a tad more and much nicer. Also, if you can find a left over Military model (made for the Turkish military) or the CZ 75BD (Police) you will get a gun that comes with a 15rd mag. And for the other models, or for additional hi-caps, CZ high caps are relatively easy to find and are somewhat inexpensive.

The Beretta that some are suggesting is a good option.

Also, check out the Taurus 92. It is based on the Beretta 92 with some modifications (improvements). Taurus steel framed autos are top notch guns and will save you some money over the Beretta, though the Beretta is better on fit and finish.
 
Yes my son! :D

Glock 17 with 3.5 pound connector and heine sights. 4 stars. Standard out of the box, dosn't impress me that much, modified as above I love it. Dosn't point well for some. I've gotten used to it though, after 6000 rounds. Note that it is reliable straight from the box without cleaning or lubrication. (not recommended but I didn't know better :P)

H&K USP Detail strip and clean, maybe polish trigger internals to remove notchiness from double action first shot. Good sights, easy to shoot. Correct grip angle for me, great range gun, with option for cocked and locked, so you can add a bit more to your training. add trijicon night sights, 4 stars.

Sig 226 Accurate. Hand filling. Safe. Great sights. Don't like them. single action trigger reset is rather long, leading to short stroking in my hands, double action reach uncomfortable. Others swear by them. 3 stars.

Beretta 92 feels good in the hand, decocker safety is easy to manipulate, good sights, reliable from the box. First shot can be atrocious, try the trigger before you buy. night sites are not as easy to come by, 3&1/2 stars.

CZ75 I did my original training on club CZ85s. Old and many thousands of rounds through them. Prone to jamming, sights shooting loose, inaccurate even with good ammunition, they got sloppy at the barrel to slide lock up. May have been better when new. Competition (IPSC) versions seem prone to jamming.
2 stars.

P7 No experience. May be the 5 star gun I am still searching for.

Browning no experience.

Of the above, I have no desire to own a cz75 or a sig 226. I wouldn't trade my glock against a new purchase, but If starting over again I may have taken a USP or Beretta, and it would be a toss up on which I would get. In fact I'm in that dilemma now. :)

If a P7 came my way I would probably spend the rent money on it.

Try each one in your hand, make sure it points for you, and you can use the stock sights. Try dry firing them, find out which triggers you like/dislike. Ensure you can manipulate the controls.
Choose which suits you best. Buy it, and let us know how it goes.

Radagast.
 
Well, I've got a two hour "beginning handgun" lesson scheduled for tomorrow with a really good instructor. And part of the range portion is going to be trying out some different guns.

I know that they don't have a P7 or a Hi Power, and they may not have the Walther, but I know they have everything else on my list. So, tomorrow I'll have access to the CZ, USP, Beretta, Glock and Sig. Should be interesting to say the least.

I'll be back tomorrow with my report...

-Bill
 
MY SHORT LIST (SORRY, OTHER BRAND FANS)

You asked for "ultra-reliable", "well-made", and "hi-caps":

Ruger, CZ75, Beretta 92, Glock M17.

That's the list; pick the one you like best.

From this list I'd pick, in order (not of 'like', but of 'reliable'):

1) Ruger

2) Beretta

3) CZ

4) Glock

IMNSHO there is very little that separates these guns in any performance aspect, differences come down to personal fit'n'feel, and if you "like" it.

Not arguable, just experience. Your results will not vary.


let us know!
 
Your first pistol, right? P7 (anything P7). If you don't, you'll only end up wishing you had. But don't take my word for it - try EVERYTHING you can get your hands on, then make a decision based on what feels the best, and is most natural for you to operate and shoot.
 
Your results will not vary

Hee hee! That's a good one! My results have varied. So there! :p

#1 &2: Tie between SigSauer P228 and CZ-75B. Both really have been 100% reliable, all ammo, clean or dirty, all the time. Didn't actually like the P228 and never shot it worth a damn, but mechanically it worked great.

#3: Glock. I owned a bunch, and while they weren't exactly perfect (my old Glock 20C got a bent slide-stop spring once) they by and large were extremely reliable.
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#10,000: Beretta. 3 out of 4 othe ones I have shot were jam-o-matics under ideal conditions. To paraphrase WESHOOT2, that is my experience and is not open to dispute. But I also won't pretend that it is anything more than that. ;)

Seriously, WESHOOT2 is on the mark... any 9mm from a decent brand will be more or less the same in terms of function. The main difference is personal preference and the luck of the draw.
 
I would have to go with the Beretta 92FS Inox or the CZ75BD

Even my first 9MM a Ruger P95 would be a great Choice.

Tony:cool:
 
Do yourself a favor and buy the SIG [it ain't Sig, dad gum it!].

The P226 is the most accurate of the lot and standard factory mags [15-rounders] as well as Mec-Gar 15- and 17-rounders are still available at reasonable prices. You won't find a more reliable, out-of-the-box combat pistol in the world.

My second choice would be the CZ-75B...an exceptional pistol for the money.
 
My vote goes to the Beretta, in any flavor. Accurate, dependable, and pretty to look at, to boot. However, any of the choices mentioned are great... I also own two Glocks that have been flawless.

Pat Brophy
 
You really can't go wrong with any of the pistols on your list, but add the Taurus PT92 (similar to the Beretta 92) and the CZ75 to your list. Make your dealer really work for the sale. You really haven't compared pistols until you've held them in your hand.
 
my day at the range

Well, I made it to the range today and spent three hours shooting a Glock 17, Sig 226, CZ 75, Beretta 92, and a HK USP. I spent enough time with each gun to get to know the functioning and whether or not I liked it.

The first gun I eliminated was the Sig. I’m just not a big fan of the long DA first shot, and every shot thereafter being short SA shots. I get off an accurate first shot, but it just throws off my rhythm. Secondly, I didn’t like where the slide release is on the Sig. It just didn’t feel like it was where it belonged, and in a really tense situation, I could see myself hit the decocker instead and expecting for the slide to close.

The gun I most *wanted* to like was the HK. Going in, I thought this was going to be the gun for me. It seems that with the HK you have the choice of decocking or carrying cocked and locked, which I liked. I had two problems with the HK. One, there was no way I could trigger the magazine release without turning the gun around in my hand. And I have large hands. I had to completely take my grip off the gun and push down the mag release, then re-grip. Secondly, I felt the decocker was getting in the way of the slide release. I tried, but couldn’t hit the humongous slide release with a good grip on the gun. So the HK was second to go.

After the HK, I shot the Beretta 92. It was nice. All the controls were where I wanted them, and easily accessed without changing my grip on the gun. But it still had the long DA pull for the first shot, with a trigger that was nowhere near as good as the Sig’s. It was also just too big. It was nice, but it just wasn’t going to be my winning gun.

The range I was at didn’t have a Browning Hi-Power, so I tried their CZ-75. I liked the ergos of it; I liked where the controls were, etc. But after one magazine, I didn’t like shooting it. There was a LOT more muzzle flip than with the other guns I had fired. It just wasn’t much fun to shoot.

So, that leaves me with a Glock 17, a Walther P99, and the HK P7M13.

I haven’t had a chance to try the M13, but I already have a couple of concerns. The mag release seems to be the same as on the USP. They’re expensive, I found a used one in excellent condition for $950, then add in a couple of mags and I’m up to around $1200. To be reliable, it sounds like they need to be meticulously maintained, as opposed to the Glock and Walther. I also question how difficult it would be to get it repaired, or to find parts for it in the future. But I still would like to shoot one, just because of the fanatical following they have.

Pretty much everything I’ve heard about the Walther I like. When I hold it, I get a nice feeling inside. Nuff said. I really need to find one to shoot somewhere.

And the Glock 17. To me, the Glock is like a tool. Like a claw hammer. It doesn’t look good, but it just works. And works, and works. With the Hogue slip-on grip, it feels damn near perfect. The controls are instinctual. It has what amounts to a lifetime warranty, combined with awesome customer service. Lots of add-on goodies available. And then there’s the terrible trigger pull. In a word, the trigger pull sucks. But no matter if I like the Walther or HK or not, I have to have the Glock. Out of everything I’ve tried, I can’t say the Glock is the best, but it’s by far the best for me.

So at this point, it’s not so much *between* the Glock and Walther and HK. It’s do I *also* want a Walther P99 or an HK P7 (or all three). So if anyone has shot all three, or even OWNS all three, I’d love to hear your comments. Of course if anyone else wants to chime in, or flame me, or whatever, feel free.

:)
 
You aren't the first to pick the Glock out of that lineup. And some would call you wise beyond your years to eliminate autos with the double action trigger due to the long trigger pull on the first shot and short on the rest (with a rather long reset I might add).

You will like the Glock even more once you really learn to shoot it. Have someone show you how to stack the trigger and how to work the trigger reset like a short single-action trigger and you will LOVE the Glock trigger. Glocks are popular competitive guns because their trigger is very fast once you learn to use it.

Sounds like the Glock fills all your criteria. You should consider a model 34 (9mm competition longslide model) since you don't want to conceal it anyway. The Glock 34 comes with a nicer lighter trigger, gives you faster shot times due to less felt recoil and less muzzle flip, has a longer sight radius for accuracy, and longer barrel for more velocity.

Next thing you know you relieve many of us by titling your posts with "Sweet Gaston,...."

For everyting Glock, try this site if you haven't already: glocktalk.com

And be prepared to defend your choice because some silly people really HATE Glocks and belittle anyone that shoots them. (I am a 1911 man myself, but Glocks are great utilitarian guns).
 
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