SWAT shoots unarmed young man. Pistol permit was motivator.

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What type of baggies and what type of scale.....

It makes quite a difference. Dope scales and dope baggies are not the same things found in a normal kitchen, despite what the apologists would have you believe.
 
he sold pot to a cop, he was apparently using the scale and bags for something besides dinner.
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Oh, my mistake.

Would you please give us a link to the article you must have read that reported his conviction for selling pot to a cop?






My point was, the NEWSPAPER reports this crap as though they are trying to get the public to convict him. Do you dispute the fact that they are trying to steer public perception of this news, creating the story instead of just reporting it?

-blackmind
 
2 ounces is nothing

If the guy only had two ounces the police should be ashamed of themselves.

Why would they go in at that hour, and knock down someone's door for a little bit of weed. It makes no sense to me. This is what our tax dollars are going for. Yet, when my car gets broken into the police don't even want to come do a report.

Our priorities are messed up. I'm not blaming the cops, they don't make the rules. I'm blaming the voters.

Marijuana should not be a scheduled Class I drug (like cocaine and heroin). It is ridiculous.
 
i have no doubt that this guy was doing something illegal. the police don't randomly pick addresses out of the phone book for the morning raid.

what i am concerned about here is the use of force that is IMO uneccessary.

people have been dealing weed for decades and they have been getting busted for decades. only recently have they been getting raided by the police.

what 'criminal' activity is next to qualify for these types of smash-and-grab raids?
 
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A no-knock and a person dead over a small amount of marijuana? I feel safer.

I have a digital scale I got a while back, and I don't manufacture and/or sell drugs. I also have zip-lock bags.

This nonsense about scales and baggies and roach clips needs to stop. Persecuting people for possessing real drugs is bad enough.
 
".........the NEWSPAPER reports this crap as though they are trying to get the public to convict him. Do you dispute the fact that they are trying to steer public perception of this news, creating the story instead of just reporting it?"


A couple posts ago you were howling for marches based on a newspaper article, now the paper reports "crap".......
 
Rudy Strauss, Diotaiuto's next-door neighbor, came to his window when his wife noticed the SWAT team descend on the house in the sleepy Sunrise Golf Village. No words were exchanged outside Diotaiuto's home, he said.
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"Neighbors who said they were up at 6:15 a.m. when the raid occurred said they heard the crash of the front door being smashed, but no yelling announcing the presence of police."
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"I heard this loud bang, and I saw a flash," Strauss said Tuesday. "I never heard them say `Police.' If somebody were pounding on the door, I would definitely hear that, or if they yelled, `Police, police!'"
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...?coll=sfla-sports-front&track=mostemailedlink
 
thanks redhawk!

I really hope these guys are brought to justice. Infuriating to think they would do this to a guy over 2 ounces of weed.
 
from the same article above...

Officers Sean Visners and Andre Bruna shot Diotaiuto dead. They shot him 10 times, leaving wounds to his head, chest, torso and limbs, according to Broward Medical Examiner Joshua Perper.
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Sad.
 
No, they did it because he sold dope to a cop. Pointing a gun at the SWATters wasnt too cool either, and garnered the typical response.
 
I really hope these guys are brought to justice. Infuriating to think they would do this to a guy over 2 ounces of weed.
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"He has 2 ounces of weed, we're going in and kill him"

That's what you're alluding to?
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...they did it because he sold dope to a cop.
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So for selling a little vit of marijuana to a cop, you should expect to have your door kicked in UNANNOUNCED by JBT's? I'm sorry, I disagree. I think there HAS to be a better way to handle this.

Pointing a gun at the SWATters wasnt too cool either, and garnered the typical response.
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According to witnesses they smashed his door down with no warning. If someone broke into your house, and you had a weapon...I think you would draw it would you not? I'm pretty shocked that you can defend this policy.

These over-zealous officers were WAY too aggressive and caused this young man's death. Not only will they be civilly responsible, but probably so was the department(s) involved. So when they get sued (and they will) it will end up costing us (the taxpayers) even more money. Not to mention any criminal actions which may or may not be filed. And, to top it off the cost of this "operation" in the first place.

Im sorry but "he sold dope" is just too simple of a thought process for me. It seems too cut and dry. Surely youre not suggesting that anyone who "sells dope " (weed) should be put through what this young man was put through.
If so, we have a fundamental disagreement about basic humanity which can not be overcome.

Personally I hope the officers involved lose their jobs, and go bankrupt over this.
 
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"He has 2 ounces of weed, we're going in and kill him"
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That's what you're alluding to?
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Umm no. I am saying that it is wrong to bust someone's door down unannounced over marijuana. They KNEW he had guns in the house....Why not wait till he comes out of one of his TWO jobs and take him down there? This operation was ROOKIE, and they will pay with their jobs and with cold hard cash.

If you go in someones house and do not announce yourselves as police, what do you expect will happen?
 
again i will say, IMO, we should not blame the individual officers in this case, but the orders and tactics they were asked to execute.
 
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A couple posts ago you were howling for marches based on a newspaper article, now the paper reports "crap".......
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It's relatively easy for a person of intelligence to separate out what is easily established fact in an article (i.e. so-and-so has bullet holes in him) from the INNUENDO that I was referring to as CRAP.

Please, why don't you just get on with it and suggest a hero's parade for these cops, sendec. After all, they're better than the rest of us because they choose to go into harm's way and all. :rolleyes:

-blackmind
 
No, they did it because he sold dope to a cop. Pointing a gun at the SWATters wasnt too cool either, and garnered the typical response.
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SWATters who are now alleged to have gone in with no more announcement that they were police officers than any home invasion robbers would.

Actually, strike that: nowadays, home invaders themselves go in announcing that they are police, to cause their prey to lay down arms and go along with what ends up being a robbery.


It's time to reign in these cops whose procedures disregard the realities that now face homeowners and other private citizens. Since counterfeit cops pull people over and then rob them, and also bust into their houses and rob them (if they're lucky; because sometimes they kill them), the cops should not be surprised when they are met with armed occupants after they break in a door -- especially those times when they do not shout "Police!!"

But you, sendec, you never fail to sicken me in your attitude that the citizenry should just prostrate itself before the police and spread its ass cheeks.

-blackmind
 
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