Bill DeShivs
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Rather than carry a .22 lr pistol, I would opt for a .25. They are generally much smaller, lighter, and more reliable. The difference in power is negligible.
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super small .22lr semiautos
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I don't see where a Phoenix is significantly smaller than a Beretta 21.
My HP-22A is similar in size to my Taurus TCP but twice as heavy.
simonrichter
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it's really interesting that seemingly there are barely any contemporary attempts on this class of guns...
I'm not sure this would be considered "super small" but my Taurus PT22PLY is the smallest .22 semi auto I own. 400 rounds now, and zero failures that can be blamed on the pistol. Only two failures to fire, both cheap Federal bulk pack ammo related. Zero failures with CCI Mini Mags.
simonrichter
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I also have the PT22ply and really like it with its tip-up barrel system. Yet the grip is somewhat beefy and makes the overall size appearing quite bigger than the length alone (4.9'') would imply... It is small, but not close to being as tiny as a Baby Browning or thelike...
Bill DeShivs
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In almost 70 years of production, there hasn't seemed to be a problem with the Berettas not having an extractor. You'd think we would have heard of it by now.
if Iver Johnson was a stable/reliable company and they brought back their tp-22/25 guns (at a reasonable price) I'd buy one. that said I do not have a Beretta bobcat because of the lack of an extractor, though I like the gun.
The tip up barrel system obviates the necessity for an extractor.
Baby currently in production
They are being made by a company called Precision Small Arms. They also sell parts. On the down side they are asking $700 for a small .25, which to me seems ridiculously expensive.
http://www.precisionsmallarms.com/index.php/store
They are being made by a company called Precision Small Arms. They also sell parts. On the down side they are asking $700 for a small .25, which to me seems ridiculously expensive.
http://www.precisionsmallarms.com/index.php/store
simonrichter
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... I could easily get an original Baby Browning in good condition down here for below EUR 50,--. There are also current production clones of the historical super small guns, alas with the same outdated features and materials...
Why I would want a real MODERNIZED version is that it is somewhat heavy for its size and also I don't like SAO triggers... Make me a version with poly frame and DAO trigger and we've got a deal!
Why I would want a real MODERNIZED version is that it is somewhat heavy for its size and also I don't like SAO triggers... Make me a version with poly frame and DAO trigger and we've got a deal!
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Bill DeShivs
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The Keltec P3AT is quite a bit larger than the tiny pocket .25/.22 guns.
It's also quite a handful to shoot.
Guns don't have to be the most powerful for their size. Some people prefer smaller calibers.
It's also quite a handful to shoot.
Guns don't have to be the most powerful for their size. Some people prefer smaller calibers.
Good point, though I'm not sure the oldies were much smaller. Certainly not lighter. But of course Bill you know my P3AT has been giving me fits anyway, and yes it IS a handful of recoil to master. I have carried .22s before. Walther's p-22 is not small, not in the Baby Browning sense, but lordy is it accurate for it's size!