Super accurate Mosin Nagant
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smleno1mkIII
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with russian ones you may get a good one you my get a piece of crap but for 80-100 dollers for a rifle that can shoot 3inchs why complian any the finn mosin nagants are actually very good they should all shoot under two inches they were so obseesed with accuracy that they would send them back to the armory if they didn't.
bamaranger
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well.........
The carbines might make good truck rifles when you knock the bayonet off.
Any Nagant I've shot seemed to kick unreasonably hard w/ heavy ball ammo.
Many likely saw marginal maintenance. I've also read that many barrels were rechromed, further reducing whatever rifling was left.
But, the russians used select nagants as snipers, I've read some articles stating how attemtion was paid to bedding and they were shot for accuracy.
And the 54R cartridge, despite its age, is much a round, equal to the '06 in power, and the Soviets retained it in the SVD sniper
You can't beat the price of the rifles, and still, the ammo, these days.
The carbines might make good truck rifles when you knock the bayonet off.
Any Nagant I've shot seemed to kick unreasonably hard w/ heavy ball ammo.
Many likely saw marginal maintenance. I've also read that many barrels were rechromed, further reducing whatever rifling was left.
But, the russians used select nagants as snipers, I've read some articles stating how attemtion was paid to bedding and they were shot for accuracy.
And the 54R cartridge, despite its age, is much a round, equal to the '06 in power, and the Soviets retained it in the SVD sniper
You can't beat the price of the rifles, and still, the ammo, these days.
robinray649
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my 2 cents worth
JimL, I will say something good about them. I have 4 mosins and for a mbr they are great. The ones I like to the most is the Finn m39, m37, and 91/30. The 91/30 is a sniper repo. With the 3 above I can usually get 2" groups at 100 yards without much problem. They do tend to get what many call sticky bolt. A lot of times this is caused by the ammo but if you keep the chamber clean then that is not really a problem. The safety is not the greatest but again not that big of a deal. The other mosin I have is a m27 which is a beautiful shooter all by itself. Remember that the mosin was in use till around 1950 and can still be seen in combat in different parts of the world today.
JimL, I will say something good about them. I have 4 mosins and for a mbr they are great. The ones I like to the most is the Finn m39, m37, and 91/30. The 91/30 is a sniper repo. With the 3 above I can usually get 2" groups at 100 yards without much problem. They do tend to get what many call sticky bolt. A lot of times this is caused by the ammo but if you keep the chamber clean then that is not really a problem. The safety is not the greatest but again not that big of a deal. The other mosin I have is a m27 which is a beautiful shooter all by itself. Remember that the mosin was in use till around 1950 and can still be seen in combat in different parts of the world today.
the rifleer
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Finnish rifles were made to a higher standard. In general they are more accurate and some people with a m39 in good shape can get groups in the 1-1.5 MOA area.
they cost more, but are worth it.
At the same time it's possible to have a good russian manufactured rifle that shoots within 2 MOA. my m44 can shoot about a 2'' group at 100 yards.
they cost more, but are worth it.
At the same time it's possible to have a good russian manufactured rifle that shoots within 2 MOA. my m44 can shoot about a 2'' group at 100 yards.
azredhawk44
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I've never handloaded for mine and I've only shot various 40 year old surplus ammo... but it's a 3MOA rifle with surplus ammo for $69.
Interestingly, my Springfield M1A was a 3MOA rifle with surplus ammo... but it wasn't $69.
That's good for shooting a pumpkin at 300 yards. And hitting it every time. At least until the barrel gets so hot that the heat mirage from the barrel messes up your sight picture.
One of these days I'll start loading for peak accuracy with this rifle. I have brass for it. I'd expect it to be good for at least 2MOA with the right load. I have no illusions of a 0.25MOA russian mosin... but I got a pretty good specimen.
Interestingly, my Springfield M1A was a 3MOA rifle with surplus ammo... but it wasn't $69.
That's good for shooting a pumpkin at 300 yards. And hitting it every time. At least until the barrel gets so hot that the heat mirage from the barrel messes up your sight picture.
One of these days I'll start loading for peak accuracy with this rifle. I have brass for it. I'd expect it to be good for at least 2MOA with the right load. I have no illusions of a 0.25MOA russian mosin... but I got a pretty good specimen.
.300 Weatherby Mag
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I'm not going to argue about the quality of the Finns... But have you ever seen a Remington or Westinghouse Mosin?? Some of them can shoot very well... My Remington built m91 mosin shoots like a house of fire compared to most mosins...
TargetTerror
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Don't forget that most Mosins are fed surplus ammo, which will make even the best target rifle in the world perform like a POS. Buy (or handload!) some quality ammo and your groups should improve.
smleno1mkIII
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91's or 91/30
DiscoRacing
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I know nothing of whether they are good or not... but... I just bought one for 200 bucks with 660 rds of ammo included... checked on broker and could probably move the ammo alone for 300
Rangefinder
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I have a 1938 Isczivek 91/30 that I absolutely love. With the cheapest mil-surp nasty ammo I still get 5" groups at 100 yds. But I reload for it, and that's when things really get sweet. I'm getting it dialed in to hitting 2" groups reliably at 100 yds. so far and haven't even really had time to do any fine-tuning yet. So yes, there are good ones out there. Most of the cussing you're probably hearing are from the people who buy one expecting it to fire like a NIB current production rifle---and they won't. But if you spend the time dialing things in right, and baby things into place, and figure out what they like to eat and what they don't, they have potential for being a really sweet shooter. The fun is in the tuning. The reward is what you manage to get it to do. Not that I guarantee it will ever happen, but my goal with this one is to eventually be able to bring it to my 1000-meter range and have the possibility to ring a few gongs. It's never going to shoot like the rifles I built for that range, but I'm having fun stepping back to a little more old-school shooting with it.
RamSlammer
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They were not that accurate new much less 60 years and a world war later. Designed to be a mass produced, tough service rifle - which it is. It's also as accurate as designed to be . . . "minute of Nazi".
smleno1mkIII
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Minute of Nazi I love It lol.
To true the Russian favored mass attack so individual marksmanship was not that important to them hit a human body at 150 yard was probably all they were asking for the Russian mosin nagant rifle was designed quantity way over quality the tool bit that bored out the barrels would be used from about .310 diameter till it hit close to .317 before they would change it with a new one so as not to wast the bit. Now the bullet in a 7.62 round is .311 talk about throwing a hotdog down a hallway lol. Now a the finns were totally different when the Finnish white guards kicked the commies out of Finland in 1917 after the Russian revolution they were all using the Russian m91 which they liked but after time they got worn out so what they did was reused the old russki m91 action modified the trigger made there own stock that would fit there needs and most importantly had new barrels made some in Switzerland now they also changed there ammunition the dt166 round the case was pretty much the same but it used a .3095 diameter bullet the early finn rifles pre m39 had .3085 diameter barrels but when the m39 cam out they switched to .310 so they could use captured ammo and there own they were also not so stingy on the machine bit for drilling out the rifling of the barrel.they were also obsessed with accuracy all there rifles had to shoot at least 2 moa or it was considered unfit for service and sent to be fixed most Finnish solders were also experienced outdoorsmen. so with russian nagants give them a good once over definitely don't buy it if its counter bored look down the barrel bring a bore snake with you if its horribly pitted or the hole in the end of the barrel just looks big for some reason don't buy it these are good was to look for a good rusky mosin I've had five 91/30's an m38 and an m38 and all turned out great except one of the 91/30's had a bore that slugged .315 but it turned out to be a very rare date and configuration at least according to 7.62x54r mosin i cant remember the site but its a 1941 dated tula on a 1941 dated ishtveck high wall receiver they said there's only three examples confirmed buy collectors well I have a fourth
To true the Russian favored mass attack so individual marksmanship was not that important to them hit a human body at 150 yard was probably all they were asking for the Russian mosin nagant rifle was designed quantity way over quality the tool bit that bored out the barrels would be used from about .310 diameter till it hit close to .317 before they would change it with a new one so as not to wast the bit. Now the bullet in a 7.62 round is .311 talk about throwing a hotdog down a hallway lol. Now a the finns were totally different when the Finnish white guards kicked the commies out of Finland in 1917 after the Russian revolution they were all using the Russian m91 which they liked but after time they got worn out so what they did was reused the old russki m91 action modified the trigger made there own stock that would fit there needs and most importantly had new barrels made some in Switzerland now they also changed there ammunition the dt166 round the case was pretty much the same but it used a .3095 diameter bullet the early finn rifles pre m39 had .3085 diameter barrels but when the m39 cam out they switched to .310 so they could use captured ammo and there own they were also not so stingy on the machine bit for drilling out the rifling of the barrel.they were also obsessed with accuracy all there rifles had to shoot at least 2 moa or it was considered unfit for service and sent to be fixed most Finnish solders were also experienced outdoorsmen. so with russian nagants give them a good once over definitely don't buy it if its counter bored look down the barrel bring a bore snake with you if its horribly pitted or the hole in the end of the barrel just looks big for some reason don't buy it these are good was to look for a good rusky mosin I've had five 91/30's an m38 and an m38 and all turned out great except one of the 91/30's had a bore that slugged .315 but it turned out to be a very rare date and configuration at least according to 7.62x54r mosin i cant remember the site but its a 1941 dated tula on a 1941 dated ishtveck high wall receiver they said there's only three examples confirmed buy collectors well I have a fourth
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U.S.SFC_RET
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I seen a guy break 5" clay targets at 110 yards shooting while standing with a russian M44. Made me think about mosins a bit.