Stupid, over the top or just a JBT?

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Sir William

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I had dinner out tonight. I was reading the local birdcage liner and noted what I feel is an abuse. The local PD made an arrest of a couple on a complaint. What is the abuse? There is a felony charge of 1st Degree wanton endangerment. The PD detective filed the charge as there was a number of items including knives, swords and a crossbow that were easily accessible to a 6 y/o in the house. The couples daughter. One sword was hanging in the fathers office. The sword was hanging on the wall by a leather strap. The detective filed the wanton endangerment felony charge because if the sword fell from the office wall, it could strike her in the head and injure the child. Lightning could strike her too.
 
hmm stupid..

being as alot of 6 years olds couldnt manage the draw weights on some cross bows..and most swords are hacking weapons and are probably in the hands of the 6 year old not as dangerous as a garden weasel..
 
wow... my dad would've been executed then. I was playing with wooden practice blades at 5, and running kata with live steel at 7. Dad would supervise, of course, but still...

Oh... a note from those days? A headsman's scimitar is NOT meant to be swung around AT ALL. Trust me on this...
 
No it is different

"BS charge whether its against a crack head "
I agree it does sound like a BS issue to me but before I would jump to call it a BS issue I would want to know the rest of the story.
Was he a drunk wife beating low life, or was a pusher and nothing was found, the list could be endless, or it could be a BS arrest.
I know a lot of police officers and there are some, well there heads are in the wrong position BUT 99% are good guys. If its BS then its BS but if its becouse once they got there they found out somthing else well it might have been a good arrest. Possibably nothing more than to get the children away from a dangerious situation which really had nothing to do with the sword on the wall.
I would like to hear the rest of the story and I think you should too.
Let us know if you can then we will see if its a BS issue or not.
 
"Should not matter"

So no point in getting all the facts before leaping to a conclusion?

How come the media is a great evil, never to be trusted, unless it could possibly make a cop look bad?

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<== just a JBT, too

I find it hard to get worked up without knowing the details of a case. Things such as suspected abuse, was childrens' services called, was the child taken to the hospital to be examined for suspected sexual abuse, was...whatever. I just can't get worked up over a summary copied off the police blotter with no details to base a decision on.

JohnBT
 
The detective filed the wanton endangerment felony charge because if the sword fell from the office wall, it could strike her in the head and injure the child. Lightning could strike her too.
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FWIW, a picture hanging on the wall in my house fell inexplicably one evening while I was standing just a few feet away. My daughter had been playing right beneath that picture just minutes before. Nothing hit the wall and nothing happened that could explain why it fell without warning. It had hung there for over a year prior to that night.

Needless to say, I went around and made sure ALL of the pictures hanging on the walls in my house were not in any danger of falling. Had that one hit my daughter on the head, it likely would've killed her (she wasn't even a year old at the time).

Chris
 
"Should not matter"

So no point in getting all the facts before leaping to a conclusion?

How come the media is a great evil, never to be trusted, unless it could possibly make a cop look bad?
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Sorry still does not matter - there is a line between right and wrong. If the charge was made with no intent to fully prosecute it is a BS charge it is that simple. That is what my perception of the writing and intent of story was. That being said I stand by my original statement, if its a bs charge it is a bs charge.

Also how did this turn into a cop bashing thread so quickly? I did not bash cops in general at all there. I read what was posted and responded the way I see it.

As far as the media is concerned, in general I see it as a business out to make as much money as possible, publishing nothing more or less then what they belive will sell advertising.

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There certainly seems to be more than meets the eye here.
I mean you could make a charge of child endangerment on any family with a gas heater if one considers the carbon monoxide risk and fire risk.
Do you have a link to the story SW?
 
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why were the cops there in the first place? whats the whole story?


Should not matter - a BS charge is a BS charge whether its against a crack head or an upstanding member of the community.
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yes it matters why they were there and what the whole story is. maybe they were there because there was some kind of child abuse going on and they look for any charges that might stick to get to help the child. the world is not black and white.

maybe it is a bs charge maybe they were having a party and loud music and the cop was an a$$ and just wanted to make some trouble for those people.
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Yet another data point.

Keep the police out of your house and out of your car.

He could have been charged the same whether he was a crack dealer, a robbery victim, or just offering them a drink of water.

Rick
 
"Also how did this turn into a cop bashing thread so quickly?"

Um, maybe the title of the thread?
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Ok give you that one...

For the record - my comments were not meant to be cop bashing - just dont agree with that method of dealing with any situation.

I hear what everybody is saying, world not black and white and so on. Does not change that I believe its wrong for somebody with that authority doing something like that.

If the are being abused and the cop believes it, the guy should go to jail for that.
 
OK. No links. I did check. The rest of the story is complex. Apparently the father did more than look at a teenage girl at a nudist colony in Indiana some years ago. He was a registered sex offender and complied with all requirements. The KY Cabinet for Children or some albhabet agency asked the PD to go look the house over as they had information that the family had been to a nudist colony. There was also an unfounded rumour that the family had taken a communal shower. The PD arrived, the detective saw the sword and arrested the parents so that a search could be made for more weapons, the felony endangerment charge could require the 6 y/o to be taken into state custody and both parents could have their parental rights suspended or restricted. Pictures of nude children were found in the house. Computers were seized and shipped to the state crime lab for analysis. The fact remains that this was apparently a judgement call by the detective. Nothing was found or gave probable cause for an arrest and search until he decided that 1st Degree wanton endangerment was appropriate. I interpret this as a bad arrest, fruit of the poisonous tree and a violation of civil liberties. I know, the couple are scum and the father was a child abuser and a registered sex offender. The charges against the mother have been dropped except for one misdemeanor charge. If the charges including the felony have been dropped against the mother, why not the father also? I maintain that the BS felony charge allowed the police to improperly and in violation of the constitutional protections, search and seize evidence that is now bogus due to the BS felony charge. A waste of resources and manpower.
 
I interpret it as a creative solution to a challenging problem and artful police work. Now we just need to see what the judge says, because none of us will get the full story that he or she will.
 
Pardon my showing a bit of liberalism...

>Apparently the father did more than look at a teenage girl at a nudist colony in Indiana some years ago.<

Yeah... a friend of mine did more than look at a teenager a year or so ago. Only reason HE isn't in jail is the girl got pregnant (that, and he had picked her up in a bar that she had gotten into with a fake ID). I REALLY hate the "statuatory=registered sex offender" thing...

>He was a registered sex offender and complied with all requirements. The KY Cabinet for Children or some albhabet agency asked the PD to go look the house over as they had information that the family had been to a nudist colony.<

Newsflash: nude doesn't automatically mean sexual. REALLY wish some would figure that out...

>There was also an unfounded rumour that the family had taken a communal shower.<

Ok... this is a bit odd. However...

Another friend got CPS called on them because her then-10 year old knew the proper names for genitalia, and talked about stepping into the shower with daddy. Gee... turned out there was nothing going on beyond her walking in on dad, asking "what's that?", and being told the proper terminology...

I'm NOT defending the guy here. Just pointing out some facts. "Sex offender" gets thrown on almost ANYTHING that can be thought of, and it's devaluing for those cases it's warrented...
 
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