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Shin-Tao

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I have been an active supporter of the "Velocity at all costs" school of catrdidge selection. I have always sacraficed calibre and grainage to velocity.

Example: My current carry load is a CorBon offering that pushes a 90grn 9mm slug to 1550fps. This has satisfied me for a while

But my faith has been tarnished by 45super. The idea of a 45 slug clicking alon at 1500fps has me very exited.

My next pistol purchase will be a KZ-45 which I will instantly convert to 45super.

I am about to turn my back on Fast-nines and .357sig...It is a bitter-sweet time for me. I am becoming a Big Bore user.
 
I hate to add to your afliction, but I looked up that polymer ammo Jeff mentioned he carries. Talk about fps.


44 Spl. 110 gr. TFSP 2030 fps / 1007 flbs
44 Mag. 110 gr. TFSP 2430 fps / 1445 flbs
45 ACP 90 gr. TFSP 2036 fps / 828 flbs
45 ACP 115 gr. TFSP 1650 fps / 700 flbs

So now you can have a 45 cooking at 2000 fps.
 
Bigger Holes!

Faster Bullets!

Deeper Penetration!

Higher Capacity!

It's enough to give a body a complex.

And don't EVEN get me started on the .40... :D
 
Velocity measured at the box flap...

As a dedicated 10mm Auto fan, all I can say is "What took you so long?". But don't expect 1500fps from .45 Super out of a KZ45, at least not with any factory loadings... You'll probably need one of those no-sectional-density "flying dime" 165gr loads for that.
 
When you save up some more money, after buying that Wilson and converting it, you might check out STI's comped Trojan single-stack 1911 chambered in Triton .40 Super. See ballistics below -- all are from a 5" barrel. Sounds to me like a serious whack attack.

Stock# Caliber Weight FPS FPE
TR40SHVA .40 Super 135 gr. 1800 971
TR40SHVB .40 Super 165 gr. 1500 824
TR40SHVC .40 Super 200 gr. 1300 750
 
Correct! 165 grain slugs are exactly what I was thinking of.

But I'm realy going to use this pistol to launch homing devices onto the fleeing cars of my enemy!
 
If you're looking for speed, you might look at the CZ-52. The commercial ammo (7.62 x 25) is > 1500 fps, and the gun was designed from the ground up to handle hotter loads than that. There is still military surplus ammo available that is hotter than the commercial. Allegedly, the CZ-52 was designed with the roller locking (or delayed blowback) mechanism to handle hotter rounds.

At $165, the CZ-52 won't look as pretty as some of the other pistols people mention here, but it seems to be able to move lead downrange at a high speed.

Mike P. Wagner
 
Ahhh, here we run into the difference between velocity measured at the brochure and velocity measured at the muzzle of an actual, you know, gun:
No-longer-in-production Triton 165gr .45 Super claimed something like 1500fps. Best chrono #'s I've seen reported from a full-size G21 was 1391fps. Triton .40 Super 135gr at the brochure? 1800fps. Glock 21 with .40 Super barrel? 1628fps. Now-discontinued (:()Cor-Bon 10mm 180gr JHP @ the box flap? 1300fps. From a G20? 1245fps. (And bear in mind that the polygonal-type rifling used in HK's and Glocks & such usually returns higher velocities for a given barrel length than conventional rifling...)
 
U need .460 Rowland!

Mountable on a 1911 frame. .429 bullet, .44 Magnum velocities.

Really cool!. Big Boom!!!
 
Cheapo;

I believe .460 Rowland uses a .452" bullet, which is why Clark's Custom Guns will ream the chambers on my 625-4 so cheaply...
 
Tamara said:
Ahhh, here we run into the difference between velocity measured at the brochure and velocity measured at the muzzle of an actual, you know, gun:
No-longer-in-production Triton 165gr .45 Super claimed something like 1500fps. Best chrono #'s I've seen reported from a full-size G21 was 1391fps. Triton .40 Super 135gr at the brochure? 1800fps. Glock 21 with .40 Super barrel? 1628fps. Now-discontinued ()Cor-Bon 10mm 180gr JHP @ the box flap? 1300fps. From a G20? 1245fps. (And bear in mind that the polygonal-type rifling used in HK's and Glocks & such usually returns higher velocities for a given barrel length than conventional rifling...)
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Your mileage may vary. No doubt the brochures round up a bit. A G21 has a 4.6" barrel. The STI has a 5" ported barrel (the port will reduce velocity slightly too). In the article I read, the 135 gr. exceeded 1700 fps in the STI Trojan (I don't have it handy, but I think it said around 1740). Okay, maybe you don't get every last foot per second that the brochure promises, but even with some attenuation the .40 Super is hitting considerably harder than a .45ACP or .40S&W.
 
Tamara is correct on 460 Rowland.

The 460 is simply a .45 Win Mag case cut down to 1/16" longer than a .45 ACP... It IS a .45 magnum... Now isn't that "special".

I am going to the gun show this weekend looking for a Ruger Blackhawk Convertible .45 Colt/.45 ACP. If I can find one with a 7.5" barrel (longest barrel in a new convertible is 5.5"), it should make my .45 Super research MUCH mre interesting.

Shin-Tao, I am working up primarily heavier bullets in .45 Super. I have a 250 gr. hard-cast RNFP that goes 1080 FPS, and with my next tests of 230's, I will have a 230 that goes 1250 FPS. Now imagine what the velocity would be out of a 7.5" revolver barrel as compared to the 4 1/2" barrel of my P90...

OH YEAH...
 
250 gr. hard-cast RNFP that goes 1080 FPS.
That has a DPF of 121.5! Thats narly.
230 that goes 1250 FPS? That has a DPF of 129.3! BRUTAL!
 
From Jimbo Clark:

Q: Can you make a comparison from 460 Rowland to 45 Super?

A: 200 Feet Per Second faster. 460 Rowland is Longer and more durable brass. 460 Rowland will NOT fit in a 45ACP chamber!!!
 
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