Student cited for turning gun in at school

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Elementary student cited for bringing a nonworking gun to school


By Tim Leeds/Havre Daily News/tleeds@havredailynews.com


A grade school student was cited after bringing a firearm to school on Friday, Havre police said today.


Havre Public Schools Superintendent Kirk Miller said a 11-year-old student brought an unloaded .22-caliber pistol to Sunnyside Intermediate School with the intent to turn it over to school authorities. The child immediately took the weapon to the school principal, Miller said. The gun was missing a part and could not be fired, he added.


Havre police responded at 8:51 a.m.. and took the juvenile to the police station for questioning. He was issued a summons on a charge of possessing a weapon in a school building, police said.


Havre Police Chief Mike Barthel said police are investigating the child's story about how he came into possession of the firearm.


He said the child should have taken the gun to the police station to turn it in.


Miller said he didn't want to comment on how the child came into possession of the gun because he has not confirmed the information he has.


"And he was scared," Miller said of the child. "He came into possession of this weapon and had been stewing about it."


The child will not attend the last two days of school - the school year ends Wednesday - for his own protection and at the request of his parent, Miller said.


He said the district's policy is to gain possession as quickly as possible of any weapon brought onto school property, which is what happened Friday. School employees detained the child and immediately contacted the police after the child took the gun to the principal, Miller said.


District personnel then discussed what had happened with staff members at the school and with students who were aware of what had happened, Miller said.


Policy allows expulsion of a student for up to a year for bringing a firearm onto school property, Miller said, but that is generally when the student intends to harm others. The student in Friday's incident will not expelled.


Miller said the district has no record of a firearm being brought onto a school campus before this.

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Sounds like a bunch of stupid adluts in this child's life: the parents, the school employees, the police chief, the idiot who left the gun for a child to find... :barf:
 
I wonder what Lesson this 11 year old has learned?

I bet he's thinking to himself........


" I should have kept my mouth shut and kept the gun hidden somewhere......."


Can you say "Mixed Messages" Children????

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zero tollaranse

My present pocket Knife is a 2 inch buck, plastic and metal. It was originally given to my son for helping a neighbor. He gave it to me after accidendally carrying it to school and was terrified all day that someone would find out and he would get expelled. I later asked our Superindend of Schools and she said yes, He would have been expelled if he had gone to a teacher and explained he had brought it to school by mistake.Insane.
 
We have to train the children well. It is for their own good.

When the time comes to march them into the cattle cars, they will go without question.
 
I had a student (8th grade) forget he had a knife on him this spring. He had been at scouts the night before. He came up to me in the morning almost shaking with fear and explained what happened. He gave it to me and asked what happens next. Nothing of course. You can have it at the end of the day. My principal agreed that was the proper course of action. I teach at a charter school where I am allowed to analyzed situations individual and consider intent rather than blindly follow "zero tolerance." What happened to the kid in the first post really burns my ace.
 
Nice little brown-shirt kid there. Turn in a gun from your own household. The kid needs to learn that family and country comes first, not left-wing confiscation and turning in your neighbor.

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That's not as bad as the kindergarten girl who got expelled for bringing a knife.



A plastic picnic knife. Her mother put it in her lunchbox.



"Zero tolerance" of this sort is all about, "We can't excercise judgement, otherwise someone might disagree with our decision. If we just blindly follow the letter of the law, we can't get in trouble."


Fire all of these cretins. :barf:
 
Lord knows how many pocket knives, nail files, etc... I've seen kids with and told them to put away or held for them until the end of the school day. Little stuff like that doesn't bother me, but I'd like to sh!tkick the next kid I see walking down the hallway wearing a hat indoors, blabbing on a cell phone, or wearing headphones.
There are good principals and bad ones, good teachers and bad ones. You only hear about the bad ones, much like gun owners.
 
Well, not exactly secure storage, or 'leave it alone kid', seemingly being practiced at this kid's residence.
That said, the obliquely Orwellian aspects of the whole thing, could be a bit disturbing. And the kid was apparently brought into a state of angst over something which is fairly common in N. Montana, namely the presence of firearms in the home. A conflict of loyalties, quite a lot to expect an 11 year old to figure out completely.
The schools there, in addition to the usual concerns about this manner of event, might have been reacting to an earlier incident...a town to the southeast of Havre had some weapons buried out in the playground, presumably for later use.
Also Havre, has an MSU campus there, which also has a substantial presence in the teacher training program. So might be a very high sensitivity to any manner of weapons in the schools as a result of that situation. And all the resultant good and ill aspects that come out of teachers programs relating to weapons/zt and etc. .
Firearms, obviously different paradigms, but ' Apple a Day' has it down as to how the more practical teachers handle the zero tolerance/'weapon" issue. Most of the time, keeping their pocketknife, nail clippers and etc to the end of the day, or just telling them to put the silly thing away is more than enough.
The ZT policies, very disturbing, what will be the end effect on the kids who've been subjected to them?.
Either complete contempt for authority, because of the mixed messages, or almost nuerotic fear of defying any authority. Not encouraging precedents either way.
But because of the 'parentis' doctrine, the ps school people are in a difficult place with all these issues.
Not an easy place to find the balance.
 
Most kids have a sense of fair play. The kid finds a gun and takes it directly to the principal who is the head guy in the school. Little Johnny gets nailed for this.

Does anyone think Johnny is going to tell anyone about anything else in future?

I'd say the odds are Johnny now does not trust authority figures. Hmmmm! That could be bad thing or a good thing depending how you look at it. The zero tolerance stupidity is due to the potential for a lawsuit and brother do people sue over the minutest things!

Keep committing this stupidity against kids and you will alienate them. Go liberal educators go! :D
 
Nice little brown-shirt kid there. Turn in a gun from your own household.
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I never read where he found the gun, he could have found it walking to school.

Little stuff like that doesn't bother me, but I'd like to sh!tkick the next kid I see walking down the hallway wearing a hat indoors, blabbing on a cell phone, or wearing headphones.
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Do you want to do that to adults also? Which is it that bothers you the hat, cellphone, or headphones. I guess you would love to here the kid's rap music blaring. I say you should do it becasue if you are a teacher hopefully it means you will never teach again. My teachers told me about being suspended for not wearing belts, I guess now they won't allow hats indoors.

This is just stupid, the kid turns in a gun to the first autority figure he comes in contact with and is punished.
 
Holy cow, I'm 26, and I remember being in FFA class in high school.

Our teacher got annoyed with us one day while he was trying to collect leaf samples for tree identification, and none of the class had brought their pocket knife to school.
 
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