Striker fired, is that all you are buying now?

I understand all the benefits to striker-fired guns, but I still prefer DA/SA for the extra margin of stupidity. I know that in theory, the only time the finger should be on the trigger is when you're ready to fire, but I still like that longer (not necessarily heavier) pull on that first shot for just one last bit of stupidity insurance. I've got no problems with DA accuracy inside of 10 yards, and it gives me a little extra piece of mind.

I've given a lot of consideration to the Walther P99, as it seems to combine the best traits of both systems.
 
I have 3 P7s and none of them has a trigger that will beat a good hammer trigger.
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You can talk yourself out of wearing pants if you want emperor and compare a tuned 1911 to a stock P7 if you want. There's no reason you can't tune a true SA striker fired gun to have a equally light and crisp trigger and it'll have a faster lock time.
 
What is it about them that you do not like? Is it being able to ride the hammer upon reholstering? Or is it another single, or combination of factors?
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It's not so much about like or dislike as much as what we are used to cut our teeth on. I am not an old curmudgeon, ok at least I am not old, but I sort of cut my teeth on double action revolvers and da/sa semi autos. So even a fairly heavy double action is not a problem especially if it is fairly good.

Striker fired pistols by in large are lighter but just feel so mechanical in a bad way. Usually creepy, springy etc. PPQ, P7, VP9 and even the SIG 320 not withstanding even though they still feel different.

I have lots of Striker fired pistols and they work great. For a tool, especially if it's your only tool or you are teaching a class full of recruits where 80% of them are new or not gun folks they work great. For those of us who like a traditional trigger they are mostly meh and provide a bit less "safety". Yes training issue and I have no issue with strikers but if we are all honest there is less margin for error whether reholstering or facing down a would be bad guy / might just be a mistake wrong guy wrong place.

I like and shoot fairly well anything with a trigger. I just tend to like traditional da/sa a little more.

Before anybody asks....Glock 19 if I had to go to war, grab just one or whatever. And Maryanne and ar15 and Chevy and.....

I want to know and be proficient with everything. I prefer a nice hammer fired da/sa. Part of it is the joy of the mechanics vs the efficiency of mass production. I dunno maybe I am just a Luddite at heart.
 
Nope....


Two of my last 3 had hammers....

I buy Striker fired when I want something on the cheap. Like my Shield, SR45, or G2 111. Uninteresting things that I just wanted.

When I want something I'll care about I will always go Hammer fired.
 
CajunBass said:
Never thought about it.

I pull the trigger. It shoots.
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Same here. I don't care if it's a DA/SA, a DAO, a pre-cocked Safe Action, a traditional SA, whatever. As long as it isn't outrageously bad, say over 12-pounds and gritty with bad stacking, I can probably figure it out in a magazine or two.

There are some generalizations though. Generally I can pick up any 1911 and shoot a great group. I don't currently and have never actually owned a 1911. Doesn't matter, they're super easy to hit with.

Also, I can pick up a Glock, S&W M&P, XD, Ruger SR, anything along those lines, and make a decent to good group. Not as good as with a 1911 but if our standard is the head box on an IDPA or IPSC target, 25-yards isn't really a challenge with any of those guns.

Give me a SIG, CZ or Beretta with the standard DA/SA and the results are the same as above. While I was shooting a friend's CZ-75 last weekend I noticed the SA trigger felt awfully similar to the reset on my Glock 19, just slightly more crisp. Not that it mattered, the plate rack was in trouble.

Oddly, one pistol I cannot shoot worth a flip is an H&K USP with the standard DA/SA trigger. They are the only pistol I haven't figured out within a couple of magazines. Which makes me laugh a little at how gaga folks used to go over the USP because they were polymer framed but had a real hammer-fired DA/SA trigger. :rolleyes:

Of course I have 3 S&W DA revolvers that might not even have SA notches, for as often as I shoot them SA. 99% of the time I run them DA and never notice accuracy suffering. Again, the head box of an IDPA/IPSC target at 25-yards isn't a trick.
 
I never found the P7 trigger to be any good either. Lots of loose take up, springy break, seems to break at a different point every time, a mile of over travel, no reset force. After I bought my Glock 19, I never shot my P7 again unless I was showing it off to someone who wanted me to take it to the range.

In other words, similarly disoriented as every HK trigger (except for match / elite models) until the VP9 came out.
 
DanTSX said:
I never found the P7 trigger to be any good either. Lots of loose take up, springy break, seems to break at a different point every time, a mile of over travel, no reset force. After I bought my Glock 19, I never shot my P7 again unless I was showing it off to someone who wanted me to take it to the range.
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While you're trying to be argumentative at every opportunity, you're really doing more to prove my point since both a P7 and a G19 are striker guns, while most other HK's with their mushy triggers are hammer fired.

Shees
 
I never found the P7 trigger to be any good either. Lots of loose take up, springy break, seems to break at a different point every time, a mile of over travel, no reset force.
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Are you sure youre not confusing the P7's trigger with the VP70's? Those are "different" triggers.

My P7's trigger, and those of others Ive shot, were all very much like a proper 1911 trigger in feel and shooting. I always considered my P7M13 to be the most accurate auto of any of the brands Ive ever owned, and almost to the point of being boringly so.
 
No, I don't have any use for a stryker fired weapon.../ mostly because I don't like the triggers...( most of them have a lot of slack and creep - and I don't like the way they break or reset )..

I have a few Sigs - all DA/SA...(a pair of 226's, a pair of 239's and an X-Five )....and while I can shoot them effectively in DA/SA...I'm much more comfortable with a 1911 and SAO guns ( the X-Five is a SAO ).

My go to gun for range...and for carry will always be a 1911.
( I also own a number of S&W revolvers K, L and N frames mostly in .357 mag or .44 mag ....and I can shoot them well in DA ...but I don't carry them much).
 
If I don't buy the Ruger 1911 Commander series I have been eye balling, I will likely never own a another handgun with a hammer on it, that doesn't have a cylinder. And, the more I shoot the SR series, the M&P's, and keep fondling the Glock 17, that 1911 is loosing it's appeal.

All this means squat if I find a good deal on a Browing Hi-power along the way. :)

God Bless to all
 
I'vw owned both - hamme and striker fired. Right now . . the only ones I have are striker fired - a SR9 and I just picked up a 9mm Shield. They both go bang when I pull the trigger so I have no issues with a striker fired hand gun. The rest of my hand guns are wheel guns so I guess they are "taboo" on this thread. :eek::rolleyes::D
 
So, some of you guys can't keep your finger off the trigger on re-holstering? Hence the need for a hammer for tactile feedback?
 
I have one striker fired pistol. They are cheap and good enough for service work but make up less than 1% of my inventory. No desire at this time to buy another one but I never say never.
 
Dan TSX said....:
" So, some of you guys can't keep your finger off the trigger on re-holstering? Hence the need for a hammer for tactile feedback? "
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I don't understand your comment...

I can only speak for myself...but I never touch the hammer on a gun going in or out of a holster...my grip is on the frame of the gun....and on the thumb safety in the case of a 1911 - or on the decocker on a DA/SA Sigs -- and there is no contact with the hammer....
 
I don't generally like striker fired pistols. It's not that I have any real objection a striker vs a hammer. THESE tend to be the things I don't like about most striker fired pistols:

1. Trigger dingus - for some reason many/most striker fired pistols rely on a trigger dingus as the "safety". I'd much rather have a safety switch than a trigger dingus.

2. Not truly single-action. Most striker fired pistols are either double action only or a hybrid (semi-cocked, but trigger pulls striker back before releasing it). This stinks! To me, its like having a CZ 75B that has an unbelievably horrible camming problem. If I wouldn't put up with this from a CZ, why should I put up with it from a Glock?

3. True single action only striker-fired pistols are mostly junk made by Jennings, Lorcin, Bryco, etc.

4. No second-strike capability with most striker fired pistols, and no safe-striker-drop function.

In my opinion, there is no reason that a really good quality DA/SA striker fired pistol can't be made that has near SAO trigger feel in single-action mode; has a safe-striker drop function (like drop-hammer safety). And, with no stupid trigger dingus - did I mention: I HATE THE TRIGGER DINGUS!. Oh, and please, no stupid grip safety either! It's simply that no one that I know of makes such a thing.
 
Skans wrote:

In my opinion, there is no reason that a really good quality DA/SA striker fired pistol can't be made that has near SAO trigger feel in single-action mode; has a safe-striker drop function (like drop-hammer safety). And, with no stupid trigger dingus - did I mention: I HATE THE TRIGGER DINGUS!. Oh, and please, no stupid grip safety either! It's simply that no one that I know of makes such a thing.
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How close is a Walther P99?
 
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