Straw Purchaser-woman buys 47 handguns in May

All I'll say is it makes me wonder what the heck the form I have complete with every purchase is used for.

the famous "4473"?? its stored by the shop, so as to be available for after the crime is committed investigation by the ATF.

OF course, this only works after a crime has happened and the authorities HAVE THE GUN to trace. Otherwise, it is useless and just takes up space in a filing cabinet.
 
Of course, this only works after a crime has happened and the authorities HAVE THE GUN to trace.

This reminded me of a comedian a long time back that commented on the gun/car argument and that very few people involved in a robbery or hold up or assault get the serial number of the gun used.

His solution was to put a full sized automobile license plate on every gun. He pulled out a long barreled, single action revolver (maybe it was some kind of Buntline Special) that had a license plate hanging off the barrel and it was pretty funny.
 
I don't understand the original point or question . Isn't what she was doing illegal ? Why is there something else that needs to be done about it ? Now "we" are acting like the anti's , just pass more laws , that will stop it :rolleyes:

Laws are not and never have been something that prevents anything . A law is to allow the government to punish you for something they or society as a whole has deemed they'd rather you did not do . Some words on a piece of paper saying don't do that has ZERO ability to stop anything from happening . It's the law abiding citizen reading that paper and agreeing to comply that makes it "seem" like laws prevent things but they do not prevent anything because the individual always gets to make a choice to comply or not in the end .
 
I don't understand the original point or question . Isn't what she was doing illegal ? Why is there something else that needs to be done about it ? Now "we" are acting like the anti's , just pass more laws , that will stop it

The OP gives the case, and then asks "what to do?"

He then mentions a registry and a "one gun a month" limit and why he's not in favor of either.

I'm not in favor of either, either, but neither is something to be considered as "something to do" about this case.

The only thing "to do" is see that this woman, and everyone else involved is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

There is no need, and no reason to do anything else.

This is NOT a case of "tragedy would have been prevented by one more law..." if indeed there ever is actually such a thing...

It was brought up how laws don't actually prevent anything, and that is partially true. They do, and they don't.

No words on paper ever actually prevent anything. Only people choosing to obey them due to a certainty of punishment does. And that, is an unquantifiable thing. No one can give you any numbers on how many crimes were never committed.

Remove the general certainty of punishment (or even getting caught) and people don't fear the consequences of breaking the law. Big laws or little ones, the principle applies.
 
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There is no need, and no reason to do anything else.

This is NOT a case of "tragedy would have been prevented by one more law..." if indeed there ever is actually such a thing...

It was brought up how laws don't actually prevent anything, and that is partially true. They do, and they don't.

No words on paper ever actually prevent anything. Only people choosing to obey them due to a certainty of punishment does. And that, is an unquantifiable thing. No one can give you any numbers on how many crimes were never committed.
Well stated.

Let's face it -- how many laws were broken, and by how many people, for each one of these transactions? I can think of several, both state and federal. Plenty of charges to go around. Now multiply that by 47.

She, her fiance, and "Man-man" all knew they were breaking the law. So did all the eventual purchasers. What good would one more law (or ten more laws) have done when the actors set out with the intent of breaking whatever laws apply?
 
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