Stoeger M2000 question - not cycling
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Zippy, my section of FL is the single largest zone in the country for lightning. Amazing how many will still be outside raising their lightning rod upwards for a target when storms are nearby. (Had about 18,000 strikes in an hour or so period not long ago in central FL 
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Hopefully, as you mention, it is just something small preventing it from fully functioning - inertia guns are a very simple basic blow-back type of design, not a lot that could go wrong
)Hopefully, as you mention, it is just something small preventing it from fully functioning - inertia guns are a very simple basic blow-back type of design, not a lot that could go wrong
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Well I finally got the call today that the gun was ready. Whew! I was going to try it out today but my daughter's school has their awards ceremony tonight so that won't be possible. Maybe tomorrow or next week.
The word from the shop is that there was no mechanical problem with the gun. They did find some aluminum shavings around the firing pin but he doesn't think that was the issue. He did say that it would not cycle the aluminum shells but did ok with the brass ones, although he did have some malfunctions. If the only thing it will handle is hi power brass shells that is ok but I'll probably sell it down the road or trade it. I don't want a gun that is so limited.
After examining the shells I was shooting, some of it was aluminum; Winchester and Federal skeet and target loads mostly. However, when I realized that I needed to run some heavy loads through it I bought 100 Winchester 3" BB that didn't cycle 100%. Those were stout! Some of the older stuff I was shooting was high brass (see previous picture above) that didn't cycle 100% either.
I'll try it again and if it isn't working then we'll send it back to Stoeger.
I did mis speak about the 3.5" shells.
I put the 3.5 through the Super Nova not the M2000. Sorry about that. At least it generated some good discussion.
What I did see on my last range trip was a friend whose SIG 229 wouldn't cycle fully. He is somewhat new to guns so he asked me to take a look. I thought he might have been limp wristing the gun so I shot it. Same thing happened. I dropped the magazine and lo and behold the thing was full of .380 and not 9mm! Wow! After putting the correct ammo in the gun was flawless.
I'll keep all posted.
Well I finally got the call today that the gun was ready. Whew! I was going to try it out today but my daughter's school has their awards ceremony tonight so that won't be possible. Maybe tomorrow or next week.
The word from the shop is that there was no mechanical problem with the gun. They did find some aluminum shavings around the firing pin but he doesn't think that was the issue. He did say that it would not cycle the aluminum shells but did ok with the brass ones, although he did have some malfunctions. If the only thing it will handle is hi power brass shells that is ok but I'll probably sell it down the road or trade it. I don't want a gun that is so limited.
After examining the shells I was shooting, some of it was aluminum; Winchester and Federal skeet and target loads mostly. However, when I realized that I needed to run some heavy loads through it I bought 100 Winchester 3" BB that didn't cycle 100%. Those were stout! Some of the older stuff I was shooting was high brass (see previous picture above) that didn't cycle 100% either.
I'll try it again and if it isn't working then we'll send it back to Stoeger.
I did mis speak about the 3.5" shells.
I put the 3.5 through the Super Nova not the M2000. Sorry about that. At least it generated some good discussion. What I did see on my last range trip was a friend whose SIG 229 wouldn't cycle fully. He is somewhat new to guns so he asked me to take a look. I thought he might have been limp wristing the gun so I shot it. Same thing happened. I dropped the magazine and lo and behold the thing was full of .380 and not 9mm! Wow! After putting the correct ammo in the gun was flawless.
I'll keep all posted.
BigJim, my gun is Turkish that's why. 
It hasn't gone to Stoeger yet and I hope it doesn't have to. If so, let's hope it is a much faster turnaround.
In all honesty the time is not that important to me. We travel a lot and there will be weeks that I'm "out of pocket" so I can wait. Now if it was hunting season...
I understand the coffee part. Have two in the house and one in my office.
It hasn't gone to Stoeger yet and I hope it doesn't have to. If so, let's hope it is a much faster turnaround. In all honesty the time is not that important to me. We travel a lot and there will be weeks that I'm "out of pocket" so I can wait. Now if it was hunting season...
I understand the coffee part. Have two in the house and one in my office.
I understand .....
I don't think your gun issues have anything to do with high or low brass ...but it might have a lot to do with the aluminum bases. Aluminum might be expanding too much / and sticking when the gun cycles ...and I wonder if that is why he found the aluminum shavings inside the bolt as well ...
I don't think you need to stick to high brass ....
Its all about the velocity of the shell on these inertia guns ... and a shell a little over 3 DR EQ ( or around 1225 fps ) ought to cycle them just fine ( or at least it does on my Benelli Super Sports ) - both my 12 and my 20ga...
and I don't shoot any high brass shells in them ...
stay well .....
I don't think your gun issues have anything to do with high or low brass ...but it might have a lot to do with the aluminum bases. Aluminum might be expanding too much / and sticking when the gun cycles ...and I wonder if that is why he found the aluminum shavings inside the bolt as well ...
I don't think you need to stick to high brass ....
Its all about the velocity of the shell on these inertia guns ... and a shell a little over 3 DR EQ ( or around 1225 fps ) ought to cycle them just fine ( or at least it does on my Benelli Super Sports ) - both my 12 and my 20ga...
and I don't shoot any high brass shells in them ...
stay well .....
Continuing Disappointment
Took the M2000 out today and am still having the same issues. The following ammunition was used:
1. Winchester Super X High Brass Game loads
2-3/4", 3-3/4 Dr. Eq., 1-1/4 oz, 7-1/2 shot
2. Winchester Super Sport Sporting Clays
2-3/4", 1300 fps, 1-1/8 oz, 7-1/2 shot
3. Winchester Low Recoil/Low Noise Target Load (I didn't expect this one to cycle but tried anyway).
2-3/4", Min Dr. Eq., 26 gram, 8 shot
4. Remington Premier Nitro Sporting Clays
2-3/4", 1300 fps, 1-1/8 oz, 7-1/2 shot
All of this ammo has a brass base. No aluminum rounds were used.
Some of the rounds would eject the spent cartridge but not load a new one. On others a new round was chambered but it is as though the bolt doesn't go all the way forward. Pull the trigger and nothing happened. Have to eject the live round and then chamber a new one. The new one always worked fine.
While the low recoil / low noise were obviously the worst for cycling, none of the different ammo types went three rounds without a malfunction.
So the gun will go back to the shop on Tuesday and probably be sent to Stoeger for repairs.
Took the M2000 out today and am still having the same issues. The following ammunition was used:
1. Winchester Super X High Brass Game loads
2-3/4", 3-3/4 Dr. Eq., 1-1/4 oz, 7-1/2 shot
2. Winchester Super Sport Sporting Clays
2-3/4", 1300 fps, 1-1/8 oz, 7-1/2 shot
3. Winchester Low Recoil/Low Noise Target Load (I didn't expect this one to cycle
but tried anyway). 2-3/4", Min Dr. Eq., 26 gram, 8 shot
4. Remington Premier Nitro Sporting Clays
2-3/4", 1300 fps, 1-1/8 oz, 7-1/2 shot
All of this ammo has a brass base. No aluminum rounds were used.
Some of the rounds would eject the spent cartridge but not load a new one. On others a new round was chambered but it is as though the bolt doesn't go all the way forward. Pull the trigger and nothing happened. Have to eject the live round and then chamber a new one. The new one always worked fine.
While the low recoil / low noise were obviously the worst for cycling, none of the different ammo types went three rounds without a malfunction.
So the gun will go back to the shop on Tuesday and probably be sent to Stoeger for repairs.
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That's too bad ... and there is no way it should not have cycled the Remington Nitro's 100% ......there has to be something wrong.
Keep us in the loop...and don't give up on it. I'm not a Stoeger fan / but there still is no reason why it shouldn't cycle good high quality shells like the Rem Nitro's ...
Keep us in the loop...and don't give up on it. I'm not a Stoeger fan / but there still is no reason why it shouldn't cycle good high quality shells like the Rem Nitro's ...
The waiting begins
Took the M2000 back to Mike's Guns and Mike was shocked that the gun did not cycle the shells I had. Took them all with me just so that he could see.
He offered my money back or credit toward another gun. I offered to trade him straight up for a Citori and he didn't take my offer. Said it was a good deal though; for me!
I told him no just send it back to the factory. As I like the feel of the gun, it will a joy to shoot it as it is supposed to work. Not sure how long the factory will have the gun but I'm not going to "need" it anytime soon so let the waiting begin.
As soon as there is news I will post.
Took the M2000 back to Mike's Guns and Mike was shocked that the gun did not cycle the shells I had. Took them all with me just so that he could see.
He offered my money back or credit toward another gun. I offered to trade him straight up for a Citori and he didn't take my offer.
Said it was a good deal though; for me!I told him no just send it back to the factory. As I like the feel of the gun, it will a joy to shoot it as it is supposed to work. Not sure how long the factory will have the gun but I'm not going to "need" it anytime soon so let the waiting begin.
As soon as there is news I will post.
Two month ago we all thought it was a simple matter of the gun not being broken-in. It has proven to not be the case. Sounds like Mike, of Mike's Guns, is a prince of a guy, another reason to patronize your LGS. Let's hope the factory folks are as accommodating. I share BigJim's sentiment:
Let's hope the service center can get it fixed quickly and easily .....
Yeah, if it had only been the breaking in we would be ok right now. Mike has been great and that is why I return. His prices are competative and if I pay a little more here and there, this is the service I get. That I can live with. Mike couldn't give a time frame on the repair but I do feel like he is on my side so we'll see what happens. In the mean time I'll just have to shoot the Super Nova, Stevens and now the Ithica Featherlight.
I'll keep you all posted when there is news.
Well I got the M2000 back today from Benelli. They had to modify the action bars. I'm not even sure what that means. Said it functioned well with 2 3/4 and 3" shells. Also, said the front sight was pushed forward so they fixed that as well.
Wanted to try it out this afternoon but didn't have a chance. I'll be heading down to Louisiana tomorrow and will try to bring it with me. Hope to shoot it Saturday with my Dad.
Said it functioned well with 2 3/4 and 3" shells. Also, said the front sight was pushed forward so they fixed that as well. Wanted to try it out this afternoon but didn't have a chance. I'll be heading down to Louisiana tomorrow and will try to bring it with me. Hope to shoot it Saturday with my Dad.