Stoeger double defense

Jury cases are as much about emotions as facts. Tactical won't do you much good in the court room.


I agree with some others that if they are going to go this route it def needs a shell holder of some sort. Why not include sling mounts if it is going to be tactical? I guess a wood stock is easy enough to install the rear in and you can put a front mount on the rail, but the shell holder and sling are the two biggest things for an HD shotgun(ScattergunBob, in every post I've ever read).
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What emotion is attached with "he used the light to identify that the target was a threat"? There is no way to use that against you, that I can see.

On my present defensive gun, I have a shell holder, but no sling. I do not see a sling as useful in a house gun. There are too many things it could get caught on, while sleepy in the dark. A shell holder is easy to attach, right to the stock, so that isn't really a problem. Looking at it, there might be a fairly easy way to attach a kydex double shell holder to the forend or the lower rail.
 
From the commenting, I'd say it's safe to file this one away in the 'love it or hate it' category! Personally, I wouldn't want one, but I still think it's cool. What a great way to introduce mall ninjas to CAS!
 
I have 3 Stoeger Uplanders, I find them to be sturdy, reliable shooters for the price with pretty wood and blue finishes. I guess I'm an oldtimer and I don't watch enough action hero movies. To me that is one butugly gun. At least I could attach my wife's cell phone, our can opener, a water bottle, 3 emergency flares, a space blanket, IPOD, and a tire repair kit for survival scenarios.
 
While I don't necessarily think it's a terrible idea, an underbarrel light on a standard coach gun is easily accomplished through the wise use of heavy rubber bands or long zip-ties.
 
This looks like Stoeger's attempt to sell more shotguns. You still only have two shots with a SXS, maybe that was ok back in the 1800's, but why use a SXS if there is something better? SXS's are used in Cowboy Action Shooting by quite a few people, but 1897's are faster unless a stage is "SXS friendly". As a defense arm I personally think they are two slow to reload, bare in mind, in a defense situation, you're not wearing a shotgun belt, so your ammo won't be sticking out where you can grab up two rounds at a time. A pump with an extended mag would make more sense to me. Do you see any police agencies using a double barrel? Do you see the military using a double barrel? Must be a reason...
 
Good Idea, Poor Execution

So I was impressed with the concept of a Double Barrel with the rails for HD. Maybe I am a new-age modular rail lover, but whatever. Purchased one as a gift for my father at the ranch, took it out and tried to shoot it.
Right barrel struck the primer but did not fire. Took three re-cocks before it fired. This happened repeatedly with a variety of ammo. Light load, heavy load, buckshot, new, old, Remmington, Winchester, you name it!
Occasionally it would fire as it was supposed to and worked great, popping off targets well. Then.....
Other random times, both barrels struck primers and fired at once. Talk about a surprise! Both at once loaded with magnum buckshot is a heck of a kick!
These two issues happen randomly, but often. Going to talk with Stoeger about the issue when they reopen Monday. I hope this was just a manufacturer's defect and I got a bad gun, but definitely not giving me warm fuzzy feelings.
Beyond that, the gun is sweet and all sorts of sexy. Rails are nice for lights or lasers, top rail would work for a CCO, but not really needed. Porting hasn't caused much issue in low-light thus far. I really like the gun, just not it's performance.
 
For the life of me, I cannot conjecture any scenario where I would willingly face a self defense situation with only two rounds available. If you wish to place yourself in that sort of situation, well, more power to you, but I find it to be the height of foolishness.
 
My original thoughts were that it would make a nice gun for out "walking the fence line" day or night. I still find it interesting, but haven't heard much about it online. Probably not a big seller... Maybe I'll pick one up on clearance a year or so after it's discontinued. :cool:


If it had exposed hammers and double triggers and cost about $100 less I would probably have one right now. At $400+ I decided to skip it. I understand that for the masses, single trigger is probably better, since it increases simplicity in the manual of arms. I also thought the black painted wood stock was pointless, but much more tacticool. I probably would have stripped and refinished it.
 
I have to agree with Usaro4 on this one. I looks like someone took a classic time tested style of gun and tried, very unsuccessfully, to combine it with a modern AR style. That is simply disturbing. We have now witnessed the birth of "FRANKINGUN"!!!:eek::barf::confused: What's next the laser scoped slingshot?:rolleyes:
 
I saw this gun a year ago, and regardless of the rails and cool aspect of it I wanted one. I bought one for right at $400, which you will not find it for much cheaper, and took it to the range immediately. I patterned it at 10m, which it did quite well with buckshot scoring, on average, about 7 pellets out of 9 (2 & 1/2 in, 00 Buck) on a 1m sq area. I also shot a round of trap with both Federal and Winchester 2 & 1/2 in at 7 1/2 shot. The gun is cylinder bore only, and I managed to break 20 out 25 clays, and I am no shotgun shooting master. To put it in perspective, I did about as well with my 26 in barrel Bennelli Nova. I did not add the top rail to the Stoeger, which does not come attached from the factory, and only shot off the bead sight. It does not spit shells upon opening, but with a shake the shells easily fell out. I shot it in multiple ways because I just wanted to see what it could do. Overall, I was quite impressed for a tacticool-esque SxS.

The stock is black, painted wood which makes it heavier to compensate for recoil (it has a thick, rubber recoil pad too). The shell ejectors work great as long as the ammunition you are shooting has strong case heads. Weak case headed ammo (i.e. cheap Winchester) will not eject easily. The gun ran a little hot after the first 10 rounds, but it continued to fire flawlessly regardless of ammo type. The bead sight is green fiber optic, and easy to see. The single trigger fires one barrel for each trigger squeeze without the need for inertia to cock the second hammer.

What I like about it included the non-exposed hammers, no inertia drive like some side by sides, and it is all black which shows little dirt or shooting residue. On the last point, as much as the two prior, it's just my preference on color. I know it only has two shots, but it is reliable. The gun was made in March 2011, and it seems to have decent fit, finish and function. What I didn't like about it included the safety. It is a tang safety behind the barrel release lever which sticks when you first get the gun. I imagine it will smooth out with use.

Any gun can be made into a home defense weapon, depending on the operator. If the number of rounds in a single load is important to you, then it might not be the gun for you. If you like the reliable operation of an old school firearm with some modern features, or you just want to hang stuff off it, then I would give it a go.
 
It appears as though the designer of the Pontiac Aztec got a job with Stoeger.
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I couldn't disagree with you more. The Aztek is an abomination from the former glory of a company that gave us the GTO. The Stoeger fills a niche market, sells like hotcakes and works very well. I like it and I can reload a SxS fast. I utilize this nifty technique I learned by attending some training.
 
Yes it is a marketing thing - and they will sell more, but is a little bit much and I agree with others about a pure self defense situation in that 2 rounds is a little thin. Now if you were out on the farm blasting a few coyotes, well that would be fine.

But don't get me wrong, I do love double barrel shotguns, but only in modest scenarios above or when your situation allows time to 1. find 2. load. Although, I am remembering that scene in The Bourne Identity (1 or 2?) when he picks up a farm shotgun and takes out the assasin - I think it was a double barrell!

Soteger Double Defense Shotgun
359.99 on sale at Cabela's. Light not included.
 
utcaleb said:
It does not spit shells upon opening, but with a shake the shells easily fell out…
…The shell ejectors work great as long as the ammunition you are shooting has strong case heads. Weak case headed ammo (i.e. cheap Winchester) will not eject easily.
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You seem to be confusing extraction with ejection. Extraction is lifting the shell out of the chamber so it can be manipulated. Ejection occurs after extraction and it tosses the shell from the gun. Eliminating ejection, especially selective ejection*, makes the gun less complicated and costly. Some say non-ejector guns are more reliable.
[SIZE=-2]*selective ejection: on a double gun, only a fired shell is ejected clear of the gun. Unfired shells are just lifted (extracted).[/SIZE]​
 
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