steyr owners please respond

Man, LOOK for ANYTHING in the slide that stops the firing pin.
You won't find it.

The first saftey,(the Glock-ish one in the trigger) in it's unsprung state, keeps the rest of the trigger from being pulled.

The second saftey,(the manual saftey) when pulled down,(engaged) blocks the front of the trigger so it can't pivot on axis.

The third saftey,(key lock) locks the manual saftey on from the inside.

The only parts in the slide are the extractor, striker(and spring assy.) Loaded chamber indicator and back cap.
There is NO mechanical device in this gun that BLOCKS the firing pin in ANY WAY.

The P99, for example HAS a firing pin saftey. With it's slide off you can't push the striker out of the hole unless the blocking device is also depressed.(when firing, this is done at the END of the trigger pull by the trigger connector)
The Steyr's striker "Free floats" like any old single action(Pre-'80 1911)
At least the Pre-'80 1911 had a spring pushing BACK on the firing pin when cocked. The spring in the M9's striker pushes against the bullet Fully cocked with nothing to stop it but a LITTLE TINY sear.(Barely ANY surface contact between the sear and striker)
The Steyr's cocked striker is an accident waiting to happen.
The safteys in the grip frame will NOT keep the gun from firing if the sear slips.
They think that if the trigger isn't pulled the gun won't go off. But, we all know freak accidents happen. What if you've got your Steyr in a holster, round in the chamber, manual saftey on, and you get out of your car. The butt of your grip frame bumps the door frame. TOCK! The striker fell off of the sear and on to your round. It doesn't take much to get the striker to fail either. Just an accident.

PLEASE Don't carry a round in the chamber!!!
Manufacturers will do and say ANYTHING to sell their newest gun.
So will the magazines that the makers ADVERTISE in.
Rember the Colt 2000, The "Double eagle", Bren Ten, Vector CP-1 and others? All fell to BAD DESIGNS.
THE BEST SAFTEY IS BETWEEN YOUR EARS!
:D
 
Steyr M9 my thoguhts

I have owned a gun since I was 12 years old. This Steyr was like a whole new experience for me. I have shot other 9mm pistols, but was never happy with my accuracy like I am with this gun. I always thought that maybe I just couldn't shoot a handgun. The day that I got this gun I was blown away. I have been shooting my M9 so much, my wife is starting to complain about how much I have been spending on ammo. From what I have been told Steyr makes allot of MOA rifles (sniper rifles). The quality that they put into their rifles is evident in in their M series pistols. The fit and finish on the gun is excellent. I really like the Trapezoid sites, but was disappointed when I ordered my M9 the night sites were standard 3 dot. I was a little upset, and was going to buy some Trapezoid sites from GSI. One night I was bored and decided that if I had a gun with night sites I should be shooting it at night. I got some paper plates and went out to have some fun. I have never shot a handgun at night. I was amazed that I was able to hit something in the dark. It sure was fun. Ever since then I haven't complained about the night sites I think someday they will really come in handy.

Ok so I have raved about Steyr, many would ask what I don't like about the M series. To tell the truth there isn't much I don't like. It does worry me that they lost GSI as their importer. Any time a manufacturer looses their importer you have to wonder what is going on. The main concern would of course be any warranty issues. Also I wish there was a better way to get HiCap mags, then to try to use the Sigma mags. One problem that I have dealt with allot is companies supporting it with accessories,and holsters. If I would have bought a Glock, I would have been able to take my pick of hundreds of kinds of accessories. I have not found many companies that make any specific accessories for the Steyr. If anyone has any links to a flashlight I could mount on the front of mine I would appreciate it. One idea that did have was, why don't them make the chamber indicator tritium that way it would glow in the dark. That way you could see if you were ready to fire. As it is now I run my thumb over the back of the slide. That works pretty good.

I live in the state of Iowa. I have a carry permit. I carry my M9 in a Bianchi Minimalist 105 on my strong side. It has proven to be a good gun for carry purposes. I might have to look into something a little smaller for the summer though. I am glad to finally find a site that has other people that enjoy this gun. I have been posting on packing.org now for a year or so. I don't think anyone likes the M series on that site. If anyone has any other question email me at NormW@charter.net
 
Just what part of Macman's posts can't you people understand?

Are you not capable of field striping your own weapon that you carry in public and looking at the design of it yourself?

You do know how to feild strip it don't you?

If so take it apart. Find a firing pin lock IN THE SLIDE that would stop the SINGLE ACTION FULLY COCKED striker from going forward if it should slip off the sear.

You can't find it BECAUSE IT IS NOT THERE!

This pistol is a single action design. The striker is FULLY COCKED AND HELD TO THE REAR BY THE SEAR. The manaul safety only blocks the trigger. In other words it only stops you from pulling the trigger.

The automatic internal safetys ONLY BLOCKS THE SEAR.

The sear in in the frame. The fully cocked striker is in the slide.

Anyone with any brains should be able to understand that ANY up and down movement of the slide on the frame could cause the striker to slip off the sear. Since it HAS NO FIRING PIN LOCK IN THE SLIDE TO BLOCK THE STRIKER THE GUN WILL FIRE.

It does not take a rocket sciencist to understand this. Anyone that can see and has the ability to field strip the gun can see this for themselves. Anyone that does not have enough brains to understand this has no busisness carring a deadly weapon in public.

Let me try to put this another way.


If you carry the Styer loaded with a round in the chamber it is much more dangereous than most other handguns.

IF YOU DROP THIS PISTOL OR HIT IT AGAINST SOMETHING IT COULD FIRE.

If the pistol fires it could KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON. The innocent person it kills could be your wife or your new baby. Or it could be my wife or baby.


If it is total stranger it kills you could very well wind up in PRISON as someones girlfriend.


Now do you people understand this now?

I posted this in very simple English. Read it very carefully and think about it.
 
Cornbread,

There are many ways to get a message across, but your way definitely isn’t it. Why don’t you come back to the forum when you have reached the age of maturity since by the tone of your response, you come across as a spoiled BRAT.
 
Well I got your attention now find fault in the content of my post.

Prove me wrong.

It shouldnt be so hard to do if I am wrong.

I wrote it in that style so some of the less intelligent of you could understand it.

Apparently I didnt make it simple enough.

Do I need to come to your house and show you how to field strip the gun you have been carring all this time?
 
styer

styer claims, according to the literature i received in the mail they have a drop safety in their literature. safty condition #1. trigger, drop and firing pin safeties. #2 manual safety. #3 key lock safety

mine has all these, ibet all of them does.

cornbread2- you are WAAAY out of line. before you talk like that, you should really get your facts straight.
 
Syer claims, according to the literature i received in the mail they have a drop safety in their literature. safty condition #1. trigger, drop and firing pin safeties. #2 manual safety. #3 key lock safety
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I say again, WHERE ARE THE DROP AND FIRING PIN SAFTEYS???
mine has all these, ibet all of them does
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Where are the firing pin and drop safteys??
The only part of the gun that has these safteys is the manual.
 
Try It

You know Macman if you are so sure that the M9 is going to shoot someone why don't you find one somewhere and keep dropping onto to the floor until you hear it go "CLICK" If I was you I would do this while the gun is unloaded. That will help it go "Click" instead of "Boom" Please let me know if you can get it to go "boom" Thanks


Norm Walker:D
 
If the Styer has a firing pin safety someone that has a Styer and a digital camera please post a pic of it.

Guess what? You can't because it don't.

Who cares what Styer says.


Look at the pistol for YOURSELF.

Put your glasses on. Remove the slide. Look at the striker. See if you see ANYTHING that even looks like a firing pin lock.

Any of you that own Glocks, Sigs, Berettas or series 80 1911 remove tyhe slide of those and you will find a firing pin lock.



Are you people so dense that your can't look at your own pistol that you have owned all this time and see its design for yourself?

I have my facts strait. I know and understand the pistol.

I don't have to read some bull**** owners manaul or some crap written by some idiot gunwriter that is paid to write good things about the guns he claims to test.

When this gun first came out some of the gun writers said it was a DAO. I am sure that before it is over some of you will claim that is true.

I am I the only one that has enough common sense to be able to understand something as simple as a pistol.

You people own these guns. Look at them. See how they work for yourself before you argue with those that have already done so.
 
The "drop" safety on the styer is the automatic internal safety that blocks the sear.

Their idea of a firing pin safety is another half ass automatic safety that blocks the safety that blocks the sear.

This would be fine on a DAO pistol. A single action pistol needs something to seperately lock the striker itself in case somehow the striker should slip off the sear.

Since the Styer has a plastic frame it is capable of flexing to some degree. All it has to do is flex just a little from a fall or a hard lick and the striker could slip off the sear and since it does not have a seperate lock the pistol will fire.

Also the little tab on the striker that holds it to the sear could break and the striker could fall and the pistol would fire.
 
so let me get this straight...

people are upset because the steyr evidently has no firing pin safety?

others are upset because series 80 colt's have a firing pin safety.

alot of people carry 1911's and kel-tecs without said safety.

so...

whats the problem again?
 
I'm still not convinced that just because Cornbread2 can't see what he can identify as a firing pin safety that there is no firing pin safety, while Steyr and pretty much every review I've read has stated it has one. I have no idea what Cornbread's qualifications are (but judging from his tone I doubt he's all that qualified or he would have put forth an argument based on facts and not spent so much of his time trying to insult people). There is just a lot of the striker mechanism that cannot be seen by simply field stripping the gun (plus there is a little spring and bar I can see through a little hole beside the striker that might just be the elusive firing pin safety).

even assuming he's right, the amount of vertical movement that would be reqired to cause the gun to AD is probably a 1/64th" or so (based on my untrained eye looking at my field stripped M40 laying here in front of my keyboard). I can't imagine even when dropped that the slide could move up that far.

I'd like to hear from someone who is truely in the know on this one ... anyone know of a qualified Steyr Armorer that could answer this once and for all?
 
I apologize for chiming in here on this heated debate (or argument, if you want to call it that), but the Steyr has two characteristics that make it different from other polymer pistols I own: 1) the polymer feels much more rigid, and 2) instead of having steel rail inserts embedded into the polymer at mold-time (like the Glock and Walther P99), the Steyr instead has a steel frame that is wrapped in polymer. Both of these factors mean that the frame does not "flex" like Glocks do during firing. Consider these facts, especially the second one, when thinking about how the firing pin block works.
 
Just an observation, but me thinks that MACMAN10 and Cornbread2 are the same. Cornbread2 registered on 03/21/2002 and has exactly four posts, all of which are in this thread. Sure, the profiles have different info, but that's trivial to fake. The writing style and attitude for both users is nearly identical. Again, merely an observation...
 
lunde, my thoughts exactly

I'm a moderator in another forum and I catch people doing that all the time (trying to bolster their argument by logging in as several people who agree). I myself felt like clicking on the "staff use" button (which on the forum I moderate gives me their IP).

That said I'd still like to know (despite his FU attitude) if there is any validity to Cornbread2's point.
 
Zundfolge,

You wrote:
That said I'd still like to know (despite his FU attitude) if there is any validity to Cornbread2's point.
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Read my post above, in which I state that the polymer is stiffer than that used for a Glock frame, and that there is a steel frame inside of the polymer shell, and the front and rear rails are part of the same unit (thus doesn't flex like a Glock, or even a P99).
 
It seems that so far the ones of you that are capable of field striping your pistols still cant find a firing pin lock.

It also seems that most of you don't even know what a firing pin lock is.

It also seems that most of you don't even know the difference a SA and a DA design.

I assure you that macman and I are not the same person.

We do seem to have something in common.

We are capable of thinking for ourselves.

We know enough about handguns to be able to understand how they work.

Who needs a Styer armorer? Are you people so ignorant about gun design that you can't look at your own pistol to see if I am wrong.

Prove me wrong with something other than second hand info that you read somewhere.

Post a photo of a slide mounted firing pin lock on a Styer M-40 and you will have proved me wrong.
 
Back to the subject at hand:

They're reliable and are easy to take apart for normal maintenance. However, I disliked my M40 and ended up pawning it off (no gun store wanted to buy it because "it won't move" and "we get a lot of those returned.").

I did not shoot well with it and I did not like the recoil at all (recoiled harder than any other .40 I've shot... and was quite excessive compared to a HK). It had great balance and "pointability," but I really did not care for it.

It could be possible I was "doing it wrong" or got a bad apple, but I was really underwhelmed.
 
I really liked my M-40 when I first got it.

I really liked the sights. I wish I could put the Styer sights on some of my other guns.

Mine was 100% reliable with everything I tried in it.

I was really into pin shooting at the time. I was using a 1911 and a Glock 22. I was getting to be fairly good at it.

The first time I used the Styer on the pins I shot my best time ever. I beat some guys that I could'nt even come close to before.

It is in my opinion one of the best pin shooting guns you can buy.

The light recoil and light SA trigger conbined with the sights makes for a very quick pistol.

It would be a great gun for IDPA type competition.

It would be a good home defense gun if you store it with an empty chamber.

A few come from the factory with a slightly too short recoil spring. They were just short enough that they did not have enough force to close the slide the last 1/16 inch. I fixed a few of these with a homemade spacer. If your M-40 is like this you can make a spacer out of a washer. If you made it too thick the spring will compress before the slide can be pulled all the way to the rear.

The spacer should be from 1/8 to 1/16 inch depending on the gun itself.

A carry gun it is not.

It is not as safe as it should be.

Those that understand firearm designs will agree with this. Those that don't will not.


JIH

One of our local dealers sold a few of these. Like your dealer he would not take them back. I wound up working on a few of them.

Styer recalled the trigger system on the earlier guns. They said it was to correct a inconsistant trigger pull.

In reality it was more than that. Some were just an accident waiting to happen.


If any of you have an older gun that has not been sent back you should try to get it fixed as soon as possible before you wind up shooting off some part of your body you may want to keep.

When it is returned still DO NOT CARRY IT WITH A LOADED CHAMBER.
 
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