Starting a political party

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Dangus

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Any of you that have read the thread at http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28482 know that I am interested in changing the political system of this government. So, to this end, I am exercising my right as an American to form a political party. To this end I have written a rough outline to define the ideas that such a party would revolve around.

You can check out my rough draft at http://www.alcovetech.com/firearms/politics/pp.html

Feedback is welcome.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
I wrote this essay a while back for just such an occasion.

The rise of the Third Party

For a Third Party (TP) to come to power in America there must be a cohesive, planned, slow growth cumulating in a Presidential Victory.

Organization. The TP must begin by establishing infrastructure at the state level. Preferably in all 50 states, or in a certain region. Each State Third Party (STP) has three main goals.
1. The establishment of a working infrastructure to include; Press contacts, known spokes-people and the other traditional trappings of a Party.
2. Become a "Player" in the State. Acting like a lobby group supporting and addressing ALL political acts in the State.
3. Running for State level Offices as often as feasible. If it is not feasible to run in a race. Another non-party candidate should be promoted. The TP needs to be seen as a powerful lobby group/ Party in its state, so that if it can't win it's self, can be a "spoiler" or "king maker".
EST time 4-6 years.

The next step for the TP is to start on House and Senate levels. This should be championed in state with the highest TP power. At this level, candidates who are obviously going to lose should "step down" and support one of the other Parties candidates. It should be made known at all times, WHY the other's party's candidate is being promoted. This will give the TP a feel of credibility, and let the people know that the issues are more important then who's voting.

The last step is the Presidential Elections. Too many TP jump straight to a expensive Presidential run instead of a more restrained growth with a chance of winning a cheaper local seat. Buy building up a power base in the states. Less will have to be allocated to win these states and more can be allocated to "swing" and "enemy" states. Plus by now there will be members of the TP in the House and Senate, Maybe even in Governor level. This will add credibility to the TP candidate and make it easier for a presidential win.
 
Feedback.... more feedback :)

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Come on. I'm gonna draft at least one crazy to hang out in the bunker with me, lol

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Dangus you need to add one more line to your manifesto.The birthright of every male shall be "To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women." :D CTB. Though OTOH this might limit the number of women in the party.

Make room in your bunker, I'll bring the powdered protien, some things are essential!

What would you name your party.
 
lol, no this will not be the party of Conan.

As for a name, I'm not really sure. The idea was to get people interested, work together to draft a final constitution and then vote to affirm it. After that, or maybe even before, a name could be decided upon. I'd prefer that be a group decision though so as to get a name everyone can be happy with. I might come up with a list of choices though.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
This is a waste of time.

At the moment the biggest third party is Nader's - a communist party.

Was the dem. party always a party of socialism and gun control? No, it was a party of size that was shifted/usurped to that position.

The best bet is to shift the focus of a party that closely meets your needs. Republican party is a good one, and it already can get almost a majority.


Battler.
 
No, this party would not be giving votes to the dems. I will be voting for Bush this year. I just think it's time for a new, firmer standing party. Such a party would not even begin to push a presidential candidate until it had extensive county and state coverage.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Dangus,
I read your positions and I agree with most of what you wrote. The only things that I didn't agree with was Supporting #9 <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Issues of unclear significance, and unclear public support or opposition, such as abortion, are not issues that the government has any right to support or oppose. Passing of laws which carry an unwanted impact for
a large minority of the population are unenforceable, and likely grounds for civic unrest and a creation of a significant criminal culture.[/quote] It is not wise to sit on the fence about issues that voters feel strongly about, whether or not you feel that laws should be passed, you have to take a stand. Also a lot of those unclear issues are issues that the federal government should stay out of, but that local governments should have the ability to get into, so the campaigns would have to vary accordingly; what might be right in one area might not be right in another.Also Supporting # 10 should be clarified. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Firearms and other armaments of light infantry and hunters are the inalienable right of the people to own
and carry. The government has no right to regulate such weaponry, and federal law on this matter should hold true in all states equally. Destructive devices, or other weaponry that fall outside of the classification of "arms", are subject only to the laws of individual states, and the federal government cannot interfere on such
legislation without a vote conducted of all states in the union.[/quote] Firearms and other armaments of light infantry include destructive devices. A T.O. USMC rifle squad is equipped with 3 AT-4's, 3 40mm M-203's with an assortment of rounds, and 4 grenades per man. What exactly are your destinctions of light infantry weapons and other destructive devices?

And Meiji,
That is an AWESOME outline for establishing a new party!!!

[This message has been edited by striker3 (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
Thanks for the feedback striker. This is exactly what a rough draft is about :)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It is not wise to sit on the fence about issues that voters feel strongly about, whether or not you feel that laws should be passed, you have to take a stand. Also a lot of those unclear issues are issues that the federal government should stay out of, but that local governments should have the ability to get into, so the campaigns would have to vary accordingly; what might be right in one area might not be right in another.[/quote]

You've agreed with me without even realizing it :) If you look closely at the text of that item, you will realize that it says "Issues of unclear significance, and unclear public support or opposition", which indicates issues, which are not supported by an overwhelming majority or minority. If, in some states, it is supported by an overwhelming majority, than a ruling could be made on it, if it is opposed by an overwhelming majority, the same. So, for example, if Iowa opposed abortion overwhelmingly (75% or so) than it would be approachable by this party as something to ban. Basically all this says is that such a majority should be needed for impassioned issues that have diametrically opposed sides containing significant percentages of the population...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Firearms and other armaments of light infantry include destructive devices. A T.O. USMC rifle squad is equipped with 3 AT-4's, 3 40mm M-203's with an assortment of rounds, and 4 grenades per man. What exactly are your destinctions of light infantry weapons and other destructive devices?[/quote]

Well, that's exactly the kind of thing that I should not define alone. I do believe it is reasonable to think that most americans would not want grenades to be easily obtainable with no registry of any sort to civilians, or even police, but we'll see about that. I would really like some realistic ideas concerning how to exactly classify "arms". Tactical nukes are obviously outside of what the public would ever support, as would many other implements of war. I suggest we think infantry, directed fire weaponry.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Excuse me, why ban grenades?

Do you look at them the same way that others look at your "semiautomatic assault rifle"?


Battler.
 
I would not want personally to ban hand grenades, but I do think it is something that local departments should be able to ban by way of vote, or require licensing of.

I have used grenades, and I know how to be safe with them, but I also know that if some idiot accidently pulls the trigger on his "assualt" rifle, the chances of catastrophe would be much less than if the lever accidently came off while he was screwing around and blew up, taking other explosives with it. Even with my reloading supplies I'd be hard pressed to blow up the whole block. With a huge supply of grenades, it would be pretty easy to accidently blow up the whole block.

Again, I am not saying I want to ban them, I am just saying that in all likelyhood the most realistic approach is to make them a bit harder to obtain in areas where the population feels they are unsafe. For example: A guy has a crate of grenades in the projects. They blow up by accident and quite likely kill dozens of people.
Conversely, a guy in the countryside, has a crate of grenades, and they blow up, they just blow his home and possibly his family up, but no more. I do not think such restrictions should be the decision of the local LEOs alone, if they want such a restriction, it should require a vote.

Perhaps even restricting responsibility for grenades and rockets to militias consisting of a certain number of people or more could be an option in some areas. Such as requiring that they keep an armory for such weapons on property meeting certain criteria and must meet certain security requirements.

Ultimately, as time passes, such a platform could be changed to allow for more broad weapon rights, but frankly considering the state of this country right now, we're lucky we still have our guns. Such a party will never get far if it goes too far too fast with its agenda.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
The inclusion of modern light Infantry weapons is fine.

Such weapons are to be had by members of the re-formed state militias. Members MUST train, stay in shape, keep a clean criminal record.

You can't have that AT-4 until you lose that gut sign up in the state militia.
 
I agree on the idea of reinstating control of the national gaurd units into their role as state militias. Still, I don't think such weaponry should be restricted to state militias alone, but perhaps only to militias meeting certain requirements, such as minimum number of members, meeting security protocols, etc.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
I reread # 9 and now understand what you meant by that. :)
I'm still not sure about regulating common infantry weapons though...

[This message has been edited by striker3 (edited August 19, 2000).]
 
Yeah, Dangus, where's the part that says "We shall deal with criminals in a violent and swift method as to ensure that their family shall be in sackcloth, with great weeping and gnashing of teeth..." :-)

Libertarian Party, I think should be the one supported. But if you want a signature for your party, sure!

Albert
 
Name of party nomination::

I nominate the name "The Polite Party" as the name of your party Dangus!!!

Why? Because that's what society needs more of, politeness. And like they say, an armed society is a polite society!!!

I've seen a punk threaten someone, and he because real polite REAL FAST when an officer drew his SW .357Mag out.

Dangus, may the force be with you.
 
For part two this thread, which I think we are fast approaching, I will draft a new version of the outline based on the debate presented here, and then I'll post about it.
 
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