Standing Behind Our Troops

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Marko, the "same damn bunch" is difined very simply. Muslims. {...} Im as much of a live-and-let-live guy as the next joe, but when you repeatedly attack me and mine, im going to drive you into the ground like a fence post.
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So if the problem is Muslims, why aren't you going out to kill all the ones you can find? I bet you don't even have to go very far...I'm sure there's some guy from Pakistan or Iran working at a 7/11 near you. How come you haven't driven out to the Kwik-E-Mart yet and put a bullet into the nearest enemy?
 
Beacuse as of yet, they havent harmed me or mine. when they do, be assured i WILL retaliate. Yes there are muslims around where i live, but they know better than to push thier views on me or anyone else. They keep to thier buisness and i keep to mine. I dont care if you want to be a muslim, thats your choice. But when you try to make me a muslim against my will we have a SERIOUS PROBLEM. Guess what? Thats what the koran says. Convert or die. I dont like catholics or mormons either but as of yet they havent blown up any buildings or killed innocent civilians. Oh BTW did you know ol' mohhamed is a pedophile as well? we waited until his wife was the grand old age of nine before consummating his marrage.

SW
 
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So what are you doing for your country? Driven any muslims into the ground today? Nah, I'm sure your doing your part. Probably even have one of those nice little yellow ribbon magnets on the back of your car.
 
Beacuse as of yet, they havent harmed me or mine.
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That's not what you said. You said that Muslims are the problem, not "a few" or "some" or "most".

I dont like catholics or mormons either but as of yet they havent blown up any buildings or killed innocent civilians.
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All the world's major religions have had atrocities committed by their followers, without exception. Even here in the land of the free, good Christians (Baptists no less, not even "statue worshippers" or "polygamists") have hung other people from trees, blown up churches and shot others over theological differences until fairly recently.

I am not here to discuss your opinion of Islam, anyway. Your picture of Islam is about as accurate as the view of an Imam-indoctrinated Muslim who sees all Christians as apostate Crusader infidels. If you wish to turn this into a "our prophet is better than theirs" contest, I'll shut this thread down.
 
Marko, silicon pretty much answered your question for me as well.

We can skirt, minimalize, recolor, and distort this issue til our faces are bluer than our favorite firearm.

I don't risk going down the religous road here, but, the muslim community still has shown very lttle out cry against all he terrorism in the world.
 
I cant say the "arabs" are the problem. "Arab" covers such a vast complex array of peoples that it would be criminal to say "arabs" are "the same damn bunch".
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... and 'Muslim' doesn't "cover such a vast complex array of peoples"? :rolleyes:
 
SW,

"Arab" covers such a vast complex array of peoples that it would be criminal to say "Arabs" are "the same damn bunch".
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You make a great statement here...but it also applies to Muslims

I am not defending Arabs or Muslims, I am simply stating that they both cover a wide array of people...Not all Muslims are Arabs.

I lived in Beirut, Lebanon between 1970 and 1974 when the brown sticky stuff hit the fan, and I can tell you that pre '74, I had not lived in a nicer place with nicer people. Yes I was a kid, but sometime, kids sees things as they are met to be seen and not be tainted by hate or prejudice.
 
Not all Muslims are Arabs.
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One might also add that not all Muslims or Arabs are jihadi terrorists out to carve the 'Syrian smile' into the sinful throats of the blasphemous infidels.

IIRC, some of the Palestinian groups now considered as terrorist organizations were started and manned by Christian Palestinians.
 
I am not defending Arabs or Muslims, I am simply stating that they both cover a wide array of people...Not all Muslims are Arabs.
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Actually, the vast majority of Muslims aren't Arabs. The world's most populous Muslim nation is Indonesia. Iranians are Persian, not Arabs. Afghans are mostly Pashtun and Dari. Then there's Pakistanis, all the African Muslim nations, American Muslims...

It's an amazing selective reasoning ability that can see the futility of an all-inclusive argument when it's applied to ethnicity, but fail to see that same futility when applied to religion.

By that logic, the gun banners are dead-on with their arguments...after all, 100% of gun crime in the country since its inception was committed by gun owners. And how come they don't protest loudly and visibly to distance themselves whenever someone does a mass shooting?
 
Seems to me they are as ignorant of the fact we are bigger, meaner and stronger than they are than the fact that we are ignorant of thier religious beilfes.

Marko- im not tryign to turn this into a "your prohet vs. mine" debate. It is a simple fact that the people who are attacking us are muslims. Now most muslims arent going to fly a plane into a building because of thier religion. BUT some will becuase of the fact they are radical muslims. Im not sure what defines a radical muslim from a regualr one but they both read the same koran and it tells them to do the same thing. Kill all infidels. this tells me i should be as vigilant about any one muslim as another. thusly we can say if you are muslim, your religion tells you to attack us. Am i right here or not?

SW
 
thusly we can say if you are muslim, your religion tells you to attack us. Am i right here or not?
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Since 99.9% of all thew world's one billion plus Muslims aren't attacking us, I'd say you're not right. A few extremists don't speak for an entire religion.

Whenever someone quotes the Bible in justifying some heinous act, most Christians I know will claim that it's a case of "theological misunderstanding". The Bible is full of very explicit and direct instructions for all kinds of unpleasant things, but Christians will claim that they need to be read in context, and that someone outside of Christianity can never fully get the meaning of the text because they lack spiritual insight. Why do you think it would be any different for Islam?

Fred Phelps doesn't speak for all Christians. Osama Bin Laden does not speak for all Muslims. Both are members of splinter sects of their respective religions that aren't even considered true adherents by most people in the mainstream.

But I know I am wasting my time arguing the point. Those who wish to see this as a religious war will do so despite any rational argument, because the matter at the very heart of the argument is irrational.
 
Ok then if UBL and his boys dont represent "all" muslims, how come whenever they kill an american people rejoice int he streets and when some combatant is made to stand in womens underpants they riot in the street? Am i missing somehitng here or is the muslim populace in general supporting what they are doing? BTW i dont WANT a war based on religion but in some historical cases, that was what it took to win.

SW

PS No hard feelings about this thread, i just like a good spirited discussion
 
silicon wolverine, I think the point that Marko Kloos is making, and the one I tried to make, is that you're overgeneralizing. Do those people dancing or rejoicing in the streets constitute the entire Islamic population of the world? No, they certainly do not.

Try this: search Google using the keywords "Islam condemn terrorism" (without the quotation marks). You'll very quickly find several denunciations of terrorism by Muslims. Of course, you'll find a few sites that agree with your sentiments, but the point is that you can find easily many public statements by Muslims that condemn terrorism in its various and sundry forms.

Just as gun owners despise the broad brush with which their adversaries paint them, so do many Muslims. Same principle ...

Also, what historical cases would you cite to support your statement:

BTW i dont WANT a war based on religion but in some historical cases, that was what it took to win.
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lets see- the crusades for one. Itwas christains vs muslims if understand my history books right. The muslims had to make it a religious war to win.
two- the war between isreal and palestine. That was muslims vs. jews. the jews made it a war of jewish vs islam and won after all the residents of isreal took up arms.

SW
 
only 15% of muslims are Arabs...

Even some of the most critcal thinkers about the muslims are not under the illusion that every muslim in the world is out to take the west out. There are moderate muslims out there who work for the progression and reformation of Islam in the world. There are 5 billion muslims in the world and still growing.

So how may of that 5 billion do you plan on taking out and giving our troops a break?
 
eghad- any who mess with me or mine. You leave me alone ill leave you alone. I have no gripe with muslims who have the live and let live attitude. however if they are ture to thier religion they cant have that attitude and therein lies the rub.

SW
 
Please stop making claims like that about Islam. You can argue the subject seriously, or you can toss out blanket statements and turn the thread into a theology debate. I've already addressed your claim, so let's chalk it up to a "theological misunderstanding", unless you're prepared to tell me why 99.5% of the world's Muslims are not true Muslims, and the .5% that are terrorists are really the true ones. (You do have some schooling in divinity or theology, do you?)
 
Yes, you're right. I contributed to it against my better knowledge, and for that I apologize.

In the future, these kinds of threads will be shut down again at the first turn into the theology arena. I'm sick of repeating the same arguments over and over again, anyway.
 
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