Squirrels are cute! Don't kill them!

dburkhead

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My wife said that to me this morning. I gave request a lot of thought and composed the following reply:

I know that you come from Japan and from an "urban" environment but there are some things you need to understand.

First, humans have been farmers and animal herders/keepers for about 5,000 years. That seems like a long time, but humans have been hunting, in one form or another for Five Million Years. That's 1000 times as long as we have been farming and keeping animals. There is a strong bias between men and women when it comes to hunting too. After all, among our ancestors it was the men who did the hunting while the women gathered fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables. Men tend to have more of an inclination to hunt than women (although there is some sign that's changing--a lot of women hunt these days). Culture can modify that somewhat. You have groups saying over and over again that "hunting is bad" and people start to believe it and suppress the natural urge to hunt. It's quite possible that a lot of the emotional problems many people have today comes from that very suppression.

Then there's the practical aspect. The world is not a safe place. It never has been. While Japan has been relatively safe for most people over the last few decades, that is an artificial condition. A good part of the reason that Japan is safe is that thre are large US forces stationed there to keep folk like Russia or China from deciding to add Japan to their collection. Another thing to consider is that while crime is low in Japan, the cost of that is a society where the suicide rate is among the highest in the world. The very parts of Japanese culture that makes people "safe" from others, causes emotional stresses and problems that make them more dangerous to themselves. Think about that: it's possible to fight back against a criminal, particularly if one is allowed to be armed, but it's a lot harder to fight back against the kind of problems that make suicide seem like a rational option.

As a real world example: I have been having a lot less problem with depression since I have been going fishing, both by myself and with Athena and since I started on these hikes/hunting expeditions.

Back to the world being a dangerous place. Numerous times over the course of history, great civilizations have collapsed completely. It wasn't always external wars that did it. Numerous civilizations tore themselves apart from within. What you see around us, the cities, the roads, the hospitals, the stores filled with food, can all vanish remarkably quickly. Economic collapse, war, race/class strife, poor decisions in energy policy, all sorts of things can stop food moving from the farms to the cities. The average city has only about 3 days worth of food on hand at any given time. While it's not particularly likely to happen any time soon, once it does happen it's too late to prepare for it. And so I feel the need to obtain the skills to provide food for our family in the event of disaster. Seeing that you and Athena (and Reio if you ever get him home) are fed is important to me. A large part of why I'm doing the things I'm doing is against the need to provide for you.

Now, squirrels. Yes, we have Nemo [our Chinese dwarf hamster], who is distantly releated to squirrels--about as closely related to squirrels as Mika-chan, Hoshi, and Sumisu [our goldfish] are releated to the Salmon you like to eat. The squirrels I would behunting are not the half-tame animals you see in parks or trees around town. These are wild animals. They get into farmers' crops and eat food that might otherwise end up in the store for you and me and Athena to buy and eat. The more squirrels and other animals eat, the less there is available for us and the more the food in the store costs. There's a reason that folk who spend a lot of time in the woods often refer to squirrels as "tree rats" because that is what they are. Yes, they're cute in urban parks or in a tree outside the window, but left unchecked in large numbers they rapidly become pests. The thing is, squirrels breed fast (like most other rodents). The main predators that kept squirrel population in check (wolves, wildcats, hawks, eagles, etc.) are largely gone and without hunting their populations would grow to the point that they would become a real problem. The State government watches the population of various wild animals and sets hunting seasons and limits based on what's needed to keep healthy populations. Folk who hunt are actually doing an important service in keeping the rest of the population healthy.

What I say above about squirrels is true about rabbits, deer, ducks and geese, and pretty much every other wild animal that's not on an endangered list (and it's not generally hunting that renders an animal endangered) out there. Hunting is important to keeping animal populations down to a healthy level.

So when you add everything up: the biological history of the human race, the need to prepare against possible future disasters, and the need to keep a limit on wild animal populations I hope you'll see why I consider learning and practicing hunting to be important. I hope you will be able to put your emotional response aside and support me in this. To help with that, I'll make a point of keeping the more unpleasant aspects discrete so that you don't have to deal with them directly. It would be good if you also learned--although that would be a very large step and I won't ask it of you now--so that if disaster happened, you would be able to obtain food if I became injured or ill. But, as I said, that's too big a step to ask of you now, so we'll leave that aside.

Anyway, I love you and Athena very much. That's a large part of why I'm doing this.
 
I am all for the concept of not killing cute things.

Being super cute myself that would place me into a protected class.

I even try to only eat ugly animals. I do occasionally find myself eating "cute" animals, but in those cases I like to think the animal had personal negative qualities. Sort of like "Mmmmm...this bacon is delicious. I hear the pig it was taken from was an anti-semite." :D
 
Correct on the analysis - however I'm embarassed to admit I too have a soft spot for squirrels. They might be the only animal I've had opportunities to shoot that I never have. They're such excellent conversationalists compared to most people these days, and have provided me with untold hours of entertainment, from the suburbs to the tree stand.
 
Correct on the analysis - however I'm embarassed to admit I too have a soft spot for squirrels. They might be the only animal I've had opportunities to shoot that I never have. They're such excellent conversationalists compared to most people these days, and have provided me with untold hours of entertainment, from the suburbs to the tree stand.

+1

The only thing that trumps your statement is........Squirrel gravy and dumplings:D
 
Too many words. If you really want to win her over, build her a bird feeder and then sit back and wait for her to start complaining about the tree rats robbing the poor little birdies. :D
 
Yup, they're cute, but nothing is more fun than going out on a nice warm fall afternoon with a .22 and hunting the little critters. And they do taste good.

Guess just about the same could be said about "Bambi".
 
My grandmother used to make the BEST squirrel stew!

Nostalgic moment: Me, Dad, Papaw and Grandpa Dunham (great-grandfather) reducing the critter population in central IN.
 
Shave one and leave it on the kitchen table, then ask her if she still thinks they are cute when you hear the scream.:D

If I didn't eat cute animals, I would be missing out on many of my favorite meals. Bunnies, squirrels, lamb, frog legs, bluegills, monkfish, etc...
 
I enjoy squirrels..

and readily encourage them to my feeders.
The only thing I ask of them is to EXERCISE the doggy.

SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL!, as the patio door open and the "Curley" goes flying. (Curley, 12yr old Brit)
 
Why try to use logic to win an emotional argument.
Didn't you ever hear the phrase "fight fire with fire"?
Well it would go something like this:

"You don't want me to shoot the squirrels because they're cute, but that makes me feel like you don't really love and respect me. I really want to shoot them because I've been dreaming about doing it for such a long time that it's become a passion of mine.
And if you really loved me as a husband, then you would understand and honor what I choose to do.
It's my sacred right as a husband, an American and a provider to hunt and kill game animals using my best judgement and following all of the laws.
How dare you ask me not to.
Well, my friend's wife understands why my friend hunts and shoots squirrels and she would never, ever ask him to stop killing what he chooses to and eating it. That shows just how much she really does love, respect and understand her husband. You should try to be more understanding like her.
Some people prefer to eat naturally wild foods, and squirrels are one of the leanest & healthiest animals in the world to eat. So that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to kill and eat that nutritious creature because it will make me healthier, stronger and happier. Plus I'll be getting some exercise out there in the woods.
It's God's destiny for people like me to hunt, harvest and eat wild squirrels.
Squirrels are like the lobsters of the forest. They are a delicacy and some of their strength and agility also gets passed on to those who eat them.
Someone has to be the smarter one in our family, so it will be me who hunts and eats the squirrels. So please don't create any static over it or else I'll probably just go out and kill more squirrels until you learn to get over it.
It's simple. I don't tell you who to vote for, and you shouldn't try to tell me which animals to shoot and eat.
Do I ever ask you to not order something that you like when we go to McDonalds?
So then why even ask me to not hunt an animal when you know that I really want to shoot and eat it?
Now I really mean it, I'm going to shoot and eat them and you need to start getting used to the idea. End of story!" :D
 
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Ain't nothin' cute about squirrels in the attic. Of course, they only chew on unimportant plastic stuff like electrical wires and PVC plumbing. ;)
 
dburkhead said:
What I say above about squirrels is true about rabbits, deer, ducks and geese

It is especially true of geese in my area. I sometimes daydream about stalking them at night with a 22 pistol.

I intentionally hit two with my car over the past 10 years. (hey, if they won't get out of the road when I'm honking at them, I'm not going to stop traffic on account of their dumb asses. Very satisfying. They're more of a pest than rats, mice, ants, and cockroaches combined in my area. Crapping all over everything, chasing my chihuahua...

One lady at work told me she missed work Tuesday because she hit a goose and it totalled her car. I told her that is hard to believe.
 
Find a picture of a flying squirrel on the internet. Show it to her. Ask her if she thinks it is cuter than a regular squirrel. She will. Then tell her that adult gray, and red, squirrels very often go into the nests of flying squirrels and eat the babies alive. They will also kill and eat the parent flying squirrels as well if they can catch them. Then ask her-do you want all the flying squirrels to die? For every gray/red squirrel I kill, I will be saving countless little cuddly flying squirrels. She'll buy you a box of ammo, and "reward" you when you get home from hunting...
 
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