Sporter rifles for sniping purposes - Tactical analysis?

Dave,

What information do you have that says a Remington ADL sporter is a superior weapon to the Springfield 1903A4 (the WWII sniper rifle). The Springfield would fit the bill of your one shot and get outa Dodge rifle.

Why the current rifle you saw weighs 18 lbs. is probably due more to the military procurement system than any thing else. The "designed by committee" syndrome. Or it could be a larger caliber than .308/300 mag, maybe a .338 Laupa or something.

JohnDog
 
I think I saw a picture of the new sniper rifle. Isn't it just a Remington 700 redone by military armorers?

Anyway, the weight is explained by the 1"-1 1/2" diameter free-floated barrel, the integral bipod, and the extra weight added to the stock for stability during recoil.

I believe they kept it 308.
 
Police marksman are every bit as qualified as milatary snipers in most aspects of training.

In fact, i would say that a police officer properly trained are equal to milatary snipers. Thier training is every bit as demanding and rigorous. The liabilities and civil implacations are probably greater due to the fact of the constaints they operate under and rules of engagement differ from those in the milatary.

The mental aspect of this trade is ofen overlooked. If you read books by those who have "been there done that". This isn't a thing that most officers could do or want to for that matter.

But as far as weponary goes, cost of gear and gun often dictate what type of rifle police agencies use. Police marksman need sub - moa guns because of the nature of thier work. Thier shots need to incapacitate instantly, Doing this under extremely stressful situation, with another persons life on the line is, not a job that most can handel.

12-34hom.
 
Dave ask away. I never have a problem with people asking questions and wanting to learn but I don't think you'll get any new answers as I've seen in these posts so far. Sounds like the same two sides. Those that think sporters should be used for everything under the sun and those that understand that specialized situations need speicialized equipment. I think by reading the last post you all could see where I stand so I won't go into it again.

As far as the new M40A3 the Marine Corps has, it is heavy. Heavier than most snipers want but as was mentioned earlier it was put together by some non sniper types who don't have to hump it all over God's creation. A majority of the weight came from the new stock(heavier McMillan A4), new steel trigger guard(I know it had a steel trigger guard but the new DD Ross is heavier than the Mod 70), and the new scope mount and rings. The barrel is still a 24" SS Schnieder in .308 with a muzzle diameter of around .92". Check out www.sniper-rifles.com for some more info and video on the M40A3.

Heavier rifle do make for easier and better shots as they take out the heartbeat jump better, which you will have when moving or creeping with a rifle, than lighter rifles. They are also more stable due to the weight when shooting freehand standing and also the weight takes up some of the felt recoil when shooting prone. But there is a point of deminishing returns when you have to carry the rifle. I think that the rifle shouldn't be any heavier than about 14lbs which is about what the M40A1 was. But I don't make those decisions so they are only opinions. ;)

As Hard Case said this time and pretty much what I said last time this question was asked:

"The question is, if you had a choice between 18lbs of 'Will do', and 11lbs of 'Should do', which will you trust your shot, and possibly your life to?"
 
i just posted a topic on this as well and greatly appreciate all the responses....i still have yet to find a night vision scope that I can mount with my lepold rings and base and not the weaver type mount..any info on where to find one would be appreciated..now..some army units are going to the 300 win mag..so I bought me a browning a-bolt in that caliber..not for the reason the armed forces are using it but because for true 800yrd applications its the only way to go,,,no it does not weigh 20 plus pounds nor even approach the weight of a barrett 50...but I thought logically about this I decided no way in hell i could toot around a 20lb plus rifle on my back for any great distance..technique is everything...ive honed many skills in the woods each year stalking deer..no I dont shoot em..i just gey my rocks off pulling hair outa there back....that is possible believe it or not...for me it all came down to what i was comfortable with...and have used in the past..still wanna night vision scope for the damn thing..so if u got any info..pls post..thanx
 
It allways occur"s to me when I see the debate over sporter/sniper gun is that everyone one who wonders about the question, doesn"t own a sniper grade rifle < think guys > it is a tool for a specfic job... just like a benchrest gun is for benchrest shooting.. not a sporter , which is for hunting, hell I guess I could hunt with my rifle but it gets awful heavey shooting from a standing position waiting for that deer to turn ......ghillieman (may it be 10,000 and one I go against, if the cause is just, I will go)
 
Dave, there is an excellent article in the June 2001 Accurate Rifle magazine which is writen by Norm and Rocky Chandler of Iron Brigade Armory. The article is called "Heavy is good...Light is bad". It's a very good article and answers alot of your questions. The authors have many, many years of expierience in the sniping community and were close friends with Carlos Hathcock. You might be able to buy a back copy of the mag from www.theaccuraterifle.com or drop the Chandlers an e-mail at www.ironbrigadearmory.com
 
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