Spencer Repeating Carbine by Armi Sport question

Hi Y'all,

O.K. David did email me back from Legendary. He's going to make it right he said. Tomorrow he will talk to the guy who turned it in 'new' and then call the company and see if it needs to be sent back. He was definitely helpful on the phone just a minute ago.

I'll keep you posted, it's such a beautiful and accurate carbine, that it's definitely worth getting made right! If all the shells will cycle and eject when they're new, without being shot.... then if the empty shells wont cycle there's got to be something that can be done!

Richard
 
Jim,

I know that now! Jerry Meacham mentioned that to me last night! Let's face it that's why they used 44/40 since it had a larger rim and they couldn't make the winchester do the 45 long colt especially in those days. Still... with the modern technology we shall see?

Richard
 
I wonder what dimensions they took when making the gun.When you look at the 45Colt and the 45S&W [45 Colt Gov't ] it gets confusing . The shorter 45 S&W and 45 Colt Gov't are interchangeable . The first is the Schofield but the 45 Colt Gov't has a smaller rim AFAIK.
Sometimes repros pick some strange [to us ] dimensions .38-55 is one of them and some did not have the same bullet diameter that we us today.
 
Attention:

O.K. even Joe called me who's the owner of Legendary guns... nice guy too! He said he will definitely make if right so i have no worries any more. It makes sense that since it cycles with full rounds it probably doesn't cycle with the empty rounds simply because the 'hook' is not sharp or maybe the spring is not strong enough. Oh... he also mentioned that Chiappa told him that the newer lane ejection is not any better than the first, so probably it is something simple.

I tend to get a little bent out of shape and say too much at times... so I have confidence that Legendary guns will definitely have chiappa make it right. They've got such beautiful guns at that store it makes sense that they definitely take care of their customers.

Well, good night for now, and I'll keep you posted. I just want to shoot the darn thing and it would seem that the 45 long colt should be great since all the reproduction Henry's, Winchester's etc. have been using the 45 for years! It's probably just some wimpy spring under the ejector and I'm going to at least have my really good gunsmith at least take a look see before I send it back. That way we'll all be happy and I can make it to the range.

It shoot accurately too! Just a tad heavy on the trigger, but I'm sure things could be done for that too. Don't be disappointed yet.....

The Spencer should be fine and I'll let you know. beautiful with all the color cased and the really nice wood too. the really beautiful almost black blue on the barrel etc. Nice carbine!

Richard

P.S. give me all of your impressions with yours!
 
Hi Y'all... now here's a really important question:

It does not say in the book included with the gun that the hammer should be half cocked before cycling another round! It simply says to cycle the round and then cock the hammer before shooting!

I am so used to using the original Spencer that I think this is very important and I'd really like to know the correct answer!

If there is really no safety except for the half cock hammer, then cycling with the hammer down would seem rather dangerous? No?

I'm wondering just because if the cycling doesn't work well, maybe it's because I'm using the original idea from the Spencer and this reproduction should not be half cocked before cycling!

Anyone know the answer besides whats in the booklet included?

thanks alot!

Richard
 
Armi Sport Spencer Carbine in .45 long colt

Hurray! Just a good gunsmith and it now even cycles Black Hills! You don't even have to act like your trying to rip the lever off either!

It was just as simple as sharpening the 'hook' of the ejector and putting a little better spring under it! Now it cycles easily every time and you don't even have to worry. Beautiful Carbine too! Accurate, and I even had the trigger polished so it's not as hard and 10 lbs as before. It's so nice to shoot cheap ammo through it too. Heck, I don't want to really kill any animal but if I could be asked to shoot a couple of wild hogs I'd be willing!

Too bad America doesn't have Zombies... it would be so nice to take out our frustrations on Zombies so you wouldn't feel guilty eh?

Anyway, a real +++++ for the Armi Sport Spencer in .45 Long colt! just a few simple things that you'd probably have done anyway and what a neat carbine!

Thanks everyone, and it's just a few simple things. Joe was already going to have Chiappa send me a return postage but I just called him and gave him the news! Legendary Guns had a great deal on it too! Now I'll take my original to my gunsmith and have the centerfire block put on with the recessed magazine follower too. Can't wait!

Richard
 
Armi Sport Spencer .45 Long Colt

Hi everyone again,

O.K. my gunsmith fixed the failure to cycle the spencer. That's done. Next, I noticed that the barrel actually moves in the frame! Can you guys believe this?

Who on earth is responsible for fixing the barrel to the frame, huh? I had to drop it by my gunsmith again and probably the only thing to do is to unscrew it and add locktite or something!

The only thing I can think of is they had their rifling set to the wrong caliber for the rifle and it just kinda sits in there?

I'll let you know the latest when he calls me and tells me. It's a neat rifle, carbine... but I have no idea how they managed to import these things to the main places like Cimarron.

Anyway, I'll keep you posted.

Richard
 
HA! Yeah, my barrel came loose during a match too - I unscrewed it when I got home, cleaned the threads, applied blue Loctite, screwed it back in, and it's been fine ever since.
 
Armi Sport Spencer 45 long colt for sale on gunbroker.com

Hi everyone,
Well, it's a great gun, had almost a box of ammo through it, solved all the problems with the cycling and barrel and I want one in 56/50 so it's for sale on gunbroker with the reciept from Legendary guns!

If you want one in 45 long colt check it out. The reserve is 1000.00 and it's new! got all the paperwork and everything so i thought I'd at least let y'all know. Most of you want what I decided on in 56/50 but if you want a better deal on one in 45 long colt you've got a chance.

Richard

Just get on gunbroker.com and look up Spencer and you'll see the carbine and the box and papers.
 
Another .45 colt Spencer!!!

Can you even believe that I was looking for the reason the Spencer I got two days ago wouldn't eject in the internet and came upon my own posting from 2012 on the exact same thing!!!!! this is like almost surreal!

It's the same... Don't buy a .45 long colt or anything besides a 56/50 for the cimarron/chiappa Spencer because the .45 colt I have doesn't even come close to ejecting at all!!!!!

Richard
 
I watched a video on youtube one time, I think he was a civil war re-enactor, but he basically said with the 45 colt spencer you had to tip the muzzle up when ejecting and tip it down when loading to assist the cartridge for reliable feeding.

Apologies if that got covered somewhere else in the thread.
 
I just purchased an Armi Sport (Chiappa) Spencer carbine a few weeks back. After reading reviews, I had my reservations about buying one, but ultimately decided to get one. They are just too cool!!!

I took it out to the range and put about 30 rounds of .45 Colt through it, no problem! All these people talk about ejection issues. It's called operator error. If you don't work the lever with deliberate force, it will not eject properly, no matter the cartridge. Anyways, not going to argue with people over that one. Continuing my story. After about 30 rounds, the rifle would not fire. It would cycle, and eject rounds, but not fire. I noticed the unfired ejected rounds had a primer strike, but very light. When I dissembled it, I found the percussion plate to be loose. The percussion plate holds the firing pin pusher, and if that comes loose, then the fire pin kinda wobbles around in the housing. I tightened the screws up, and now she runs 100% again. People who don't have any ability to diagnose a problem shouldn't be making comments about the quality of firearms. Literally, I had an issue. I investigated it and found the problem. A screw was loose.

Also, .45 Colt is super fun to shoot in the rifle! And it's way more cost effective than .56-50 rounds.

Also, if you're getting ate up about the .45 Colt not being "historically accurate" then you need to find another hobby than firearms. You should be getting firearms to enjoy, not simply to brag to others about how you have "an original caliber" or whatever.

Long story short, the Spencer replica from Chiappa is pretty sweet!
 
Here's a video I took a couple days ago. Smooth and deliberate cycling of the lever is the key to proper ejections. A couple drops of gun oil in the areas that see rotation, and she runs like a champ! To be completely honest, once I got the loose screw issue worked out, and about 50 rounds through it, this is probably the smoothest running lever action I have. And I have a lot!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EtLbZdjKA7c
 
Well after 6 months of ownership and about 200 rounds through it, it feeds and ejects fine. Ironically, my issue is with the screws coming loose. Namely, the percussion plate screws and the lever-to-block screw. I actually inadvertently overtightened the lever-to-block screw recently and snapped the tiny little screw. I'm not sure how soldiers felt about this rifle in protracted battles. After every magazine (7 shots), I have to bust out my screwdriver and tighten those screws. Granted, I'm not fighting for my life, so it's only a minor inconvenience, but if I was in the heat of battle, and the screws started coming loose, I think I'd feel a lot differently. All in all though, it's one of my favorite guns to shoot, and look at, because it's just so cool. The craftsmanship on the rifle is excellent...it's just those damn screws keep coming loose when firing.
 
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