Sound suppressors?

Status
Not open for further replies.
He.sighted YOUR statute!!!
My statute? Which one was that? I asked for statutes showing that in NY ordinary people can not obtain an FFL/SOT and that it is illegal to merely hold a silencer. He failed to provide anything but his unsubstantiated claims.

But I digress. Show some respect guy. These mods work hard on these servers to keep em clean and you gotta be rude? Really? Come on, play nice or go home.
I do not respect a person who makes such irresponsible claims. I asked evidence to support those claims, something I should not have to do. Being truthful is not rude. Who else is going to stand up to his claims? You?

Ranb
 
The inablilty to posses a suppressor without the propper tax stamp is what makes them illegal in NY. That is how I read it, now it may be how I read but you just have an odd way of wording things in way where you sound rather.defensive, I dont aim to make you the bad guy but when your wrong your wrong. Certain states are stricter than others.

I would believe that holding a suppressor that isnt yours could get you in trouble. Its the principle,possesion is 9/10ths of the law and if you dont have the papers to match what your holding then its illegal. BUT thats my take on it, I tend to err on the safe side. If you want you can show me where in the law it says different, I will admit that I was wrong.

With the proper paperwork you CAN own one, but that is like saying you can own saw your.shotgun barrel to 8inches. Can you? Yes, with the right paperwork, otherwise it is a felony. Getting an SBS legally is the same process, same papers, and same legality, right?

State statute 265.02 its under the (2) for criminal possesion
 
Last edited:
How did the people at Urban Armory get their FFL/SOT. I bet they were just ordinary guys who established a business front, and filled out the applications like everyone else.
Correct. And once they established a business front, they were no longer "ordinary people" in the eyes of the BATF, they were in business. As an FFL holder yourself, you know that the BATF does not allow a person to acquire and hold an FFL (other than a C&R) unless that person is actually in a business that justifies/requires the FFL in question.
Several years ago the Brady Campaign used to claim that silencers were illegal in the entire USA.
Sweeping statements made when more specific information is called for can't be true in the general case.

However, it is absolutely true silencers are illegal everywhere in the U.S. unless the owner has jumped through the necessary legal hoops to own one legally. While it is generally possible, in most locations, to accomplish the task (barring interference from state law), it can be complicated, can take a long time and be expensive to complete.

It's actually less misleading to state that silencers are illegal in the U.S. than it is to state that silencers are legal in the U.S. Both statements require additional information to be completely accurate, but most people would be very confused if one were to try to convince them that to buy something that's "legal" they must be background checked, pay a tax/government fee, and then either get permission from a police chief or sheriff or create a trust/corporation before they can take posession of their "legal" item. If you told them that they were subject to arrest if LE finds them with their "legal" item but without the proper paperwork, their skepticism about the legality of said item would likely overflow at that point.

On the other hand, it makes perfect sense to most people if they are told that such items are restricted/illegal unless the owner has fulfilled the special requirements mandated by law to allow possession/purchase.
I have spent far more money and invested far more time in fulfilling the requirements to buy and drive these vehicles than I have the silencers I make.
There are no requirements (other than having the money) to buy or own a car. Driving one on the roads is another story.

The analogy is very poor in that sense. One must satisfy legal requirements merely to purchase and own a silencer legally and that makes them very different from cars, or from nearly any other item that most people would normally consider legal to own in the commonly used sense of the word "legal".

The bottom line is that statements like: "Silencers are legal in all states, but 12 states limit possession and use to the military, police and licensed dealers." don't provide very useful information.

A thing is not "legal" in a place where only the military, police and licensed dealers can own them and no stretch of logic or semantics can change that.

I usually go out of my way to avoid locking threads after participating in the discussion, but I'm going to make an exception in this case.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top