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Page 41, the November issue of The American Rifleman magazine contains that famous 2004 photo of John Kerry and Sarah Brady, with their heads together. A box immediately above that photo describes Mrs. Brady as "optimistic" re gun banners chances on election Day 2006, quoting her as follows, "This is the opportunity we've been waiting for".

There are roughly 80,000,000 gun owners in the U.S. I don't know how many of them are of voting age, how many are registered to vote, however I suspect that the votes of gun owners could well make or break Sarah's day. Let's hope that gun owners go to the polls on Election Day, and that their votes are directed toward ruining the day for the gun banners, Mrs. Brady included.

BTW, it isn't necessarily a case of voting Republican as opposed to Democrat, for not every Republican is pro gun, not every Democrat is anti gun. Additionally, re some who seem suddenly to have become pro gun, check to see where they stood yesterday.

Finally, respecting some of the current administration's more questionable stunts, some Republican office holders might be in jeopardy. While in my view, Bush and Co. have some serious questions to answer, answers are not likely I suppose, and one could question how "pro gun" this administration actually is, looking at things not done, it would be a real shame to see significant damage to the rights of the law abiding gun owner, as a result of perhaps misplaced "throw the bums out" sentiment, and or votes cast by gun owners.
 
alan, so what is the solution? Do we condone the abuses to the Constitution by voting for these bums, or do we allow people to get into office that are going to tick off the conservatives and hope there will be some oversite instead of a rubber stamp? I personally plan to use some discernment when I vote.:(

badbob
 
Bob, I seriously doubt that YOU PERSONALLY have done all the research needed to TRULY know about the "abuses" to the Constitution you refer to and if they are, in fact, "abuses".

If all you do is read a newpaper and watch news shows, then without better input, you of course will believe the spin you hear.

I'm not arguing for or against anybody other than that the largest media outlets DO HAVE AGENDAS, and they don't report the raw news anymore. They report what THEY want YOU to believe what THEY want YOU to believe.

I no longer arrive at any decision until I've heard from as many sources as I can in order to cross reference ALL the information. And that includes NPR and their Leftist "Democracy Now!" news shows on the one end and Rush Limbaugh for the other side (and as much as I can get in between).
That's all I'm sayin'.

Carter
 
CDH, how in the hell do you know WHAT research I have done? Just maybe YOU are the one that hasn't done their research.

badbob
 
CDH knows his stuff, from what I have read in his posts. And try to watch the profanity, only two months here and already forgetting the rules.;)

I think that there is a lot of doom and gloom going on among the Republicans right now. But the average American voter is smart enough to know that on election day they will not be voting for George Bush or Foley. I would think that they are inteligent enought to not tie them with the party(or vice versa).
 
Yessah, Mr. rhgunguy, you de boss. I do owe Alan an apology on re-reading his post. I'm so tired of people saying"vote for the Repubs or lose your guns" that I wrongly assume that's the way the articles are going to be.
I DON'T owe CDH an apology, he jumped on me first. I loath tv news and I resent the accusations that he made.
Bob, I seriously doubt that YOU PERSONALLY have done all the research needed to TRULY know about the "abuses" to the Constitution you refer to and if they are, in fact, "abuses".
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badbob
 
Ok bob, I'll bite. Outline for me ONE "abuse" of the Constitution you are so sure that has been committed.

Be specific about who did it and the specific Constitutional abuse that took place.

Carter
 
badbob
I'm so tired of people saying, "vote for the Repubs or lose your guns"
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Vote for the repubs... or lose your guns! :D :D :D LOL

and your right to choose your own doctor...

and your tax money...

and your vote...

and your self-determination...

and the honest and correct history of these United States...

and your democratic system of government! :cool:
 
CDH
Outline for me ONE "abuse" of the Constitution you are so sure that has been committed.
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It's difficult to believe you're serious!!

They have infringed on the gun rights continually for at least a century...
Marshal Wyatt Earp was the first... with his town ordinances to abolish carrying guns in the town limits!!!

The Constitution abolished slavery nearly 80 years before the Emancipation Proclamation.

The BATFE has a paramilitary law enforcement office which is using confiscated aircraft and police powers that were NEVER given them by Congress. They have usurped authority for which they have NO LEGAL jurisdiction.

On and On... I'm sure a good many others can point out several more "abuses". :rolleyes:
 
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No need to get all huffy bob. I am just pointing out that I have read alot of CDH's posts and they show that he knows his stuff. He brings up a very good point that all media is spun to some extent and that multiple sources are often neccesary to figure out for yourself what realy happened.

No need to be pulling the southern slave bit either. I just figured that it was best to hear from me about your dirty mouth than from a mod telling you that you have made your last post.

Pointer, good points(pun intended). I did not know about the AFT and confiscated aircraft. What is your source?
 
Third option

Vote Independent, they are pro gun. Lou Dobbs poll said that 68% of the polled were going to change to Independent. In my opinion, we don't have to settle for this present whatever it is to keep our guns. I am tired of seeing this country erode.
 
Gentlemen:

Fight nice, please.

badbob:

If I knew the solution, I'd likely be richer than hell, whch unfortunately I'm nowhere near being, a situation that I find really sad, deserving soul that Iam. As to you voting with discernment, good idea, something that a lot of people should try, as opposed to what they might be accustomed to doing. BTW, as to your apology, perhaps I'm just thick headed, but re your responsre to my post, I hadn't noticed anything to get upset over. You asked a reasonable question. I wish I had a better answer, sadly I don't, but then, as mentioned, I'm not rich either.
 
Try this one on, guys. From the song by 4 Non Blondes:
I realized quickly when I knew I should
that the world was made up of this brotherhood
of man or whatever that means
And so I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed
Just to get it all out what's in my head
And I am feeling a little peculiar
And so I wake in the morning and I step outside
And I take a deep breath
And I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
What's goin' on
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:D

It's an Internet discussion, for heaven's sake. Try the "deep breath" part.
If we can't come together and be civil here, there really is no hope left.
Rich
 
It's difficult to believe you're serious!!

They have infringed on the gun rights continually for at least half a century...
Marshal Wyatt Earp was the first... with his town ordinances to abolish carrying guns in the town limits!!!

The Constitution abolished slavery nearly 100 years before the Emancipation Proclamation.

The BATFE has a paramilitary law enforcement office which is using confiscated aircraft and police powers that were NEVER given them by Congress. They have usurped authority for which they have NO LEGAL jurisdiction.

On and On... I'm sure a good many others can point out several more "abuses".
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Pointer, I can't argue with your examples, but I was responding to the idea that we should, and I quote: "Do we condone the abuses to the Constitution by voting for these bums, or do we allow people to get into office that are going to tick off the conservatives...?"

The author of that comment is directly suggesting that "conservatives" are basically the evil of the world today, when the only "abuses" any Republicans are being "accused" of today relates to the terrorism monitoring stuff, and the fact is, the President DOES have the authority to do those things especially during times like these.
The spin you see about that subject is that Bush is personally trying to listen in to every word every citizen speaks into a phone and is simply not the case. Of course, that IS what most media sources are wanting you to believe.

Mr. Bob seems to want to get rid of the ONLY hope this country has for bringing our values and laws back in line with the Constitution as written for the most part.
If Mr. Bob has his way, then we will see Democrats drive the agendas that they have been so famous for such as a total ban on pistols and most other guns (including a maximum 6 round limit to magazines as opposed to the Clinton 10 round maximum), they will shove Socialized health care down out throats, they will continue to expand the use of our public school system as an indoctrination tool (more than they already have)*, we'll see crippling environmental regulations that are based on goofy and flawed science, and of course, we'll all see tremendously higher taxes to pay for all their Socialist "wishes and wants" list of legislation.

Carter

* I recall a story just a few days ago where a 14 year old girl put up a web site with threats to Bush where the Feds had to go and interview her to see what's up. I don't care about the details, but mention this ONLY to make you wonder why a 14 year old is so vehemently "political".
http://www.startribune.com/484/story/739848.html
14 years olds don't give a damn about politics; remember when YOU were 14?
Whether girl or boy, you had a LOT more important things on your mind, if you know what I mean.
Kids this age do NOT become politically involved unless they have been indoctrinated to be so by their school system. Watch for a lot more stories of kids this young and younger "caring" about politics and saving the planet and all that stuff that kids never cared about before until our public school system got a hold of them.
So you see, I get concerned when comments like those from Mr. Bob illustrate that propaganda and indoctrination are methods of people control that are still alive and well today.
 
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I think they key point is that, of the 80 million plus gun owners, if just a quarter to a third of the "duck hunters" who look down their noses at semi-auto rifles & handguns, would get off their cheap political duffs and do something for their RKBA, rather than just the 4.5 million of us, it wouldn't matter if Schumer was president, and Kennedy was Senate majority leader - we'd still spank them and send them home in a taxicab on anti-gun bills.
 
I don't think so FF - IF the dems take over the branches, as they very well might, YOU won't be spanking anyone. You will have 2 years where hopefully Bush will offer SOME protection, but other then that? Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, Hillary, et. al. will pass law after law limiting the 2nd, and there won't be anything we can do about it except 'wait till next time', then try to reverse our losses with conservatives.

Why go through that cycle AGAIN? Wasn't 8yrs of anti-gun bull enough under the 1st Clinton? Aren't we tired of them controlling us, insulting us, comparing us to criminals, disrespecting us and mis-representing us? Aren't we tired of the lies and false propaganda, ALL concocted to limit our rights to defense? Why give them the chance to strip us of the best chance we have for self-preservation? Why subject ourselves to being limited to only possession of what THEY decide are "sporting arms", at best? It will happen if they win - no doubt about it - they tell us as much constantly.

I'll be voting - and voting pro-gun, which means mostly pro-republican. And just in case others don't get, in the mean time I am stocking up on ammo, semis, magazines, handguns, and everything else the Dems state they want to outlaw. May be your last chance for a while. :(
 
What is your source?
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See Waco, TX
Branch Davidians

The confiscation of money, boats and aircraft and vehicles and houses etc...
Has been LEGALLY :rolleyes: done by Congressionally AUTHORIZED Law enforcement entities i.e., DEA...

The BATFE has created their own law enforcement arm and started confiscations in the "grand-fathered" tradition of the DEA to finance their ILLEGAL and UNAUTHORIZED police force... That is what caused the Waco Fiasco... The Justice Department (Ms. Reno) had to figure out how to deal with the BATFE unfortunately too late... for the Branch Davidians...

ALL government bureaus will USURP authority and power whenever and wherever they can get it... The BATFE has finessed their way into a powerful entity that was supposed to report their findings to AUTHORIZED law enforcement agencies.

The BLM and the USFS and the IRS and the ICE have all committed equally horrendous incursions, thus growing ever more powerful and ever less manageable...

The government by and for the people is well on it's way to becoming...
The government of the people.

The people no longer have ANY control over the government, and with the advent of the new "Election-tronic voting machines"... they have lost their last chance to regain the nation and their FREEDOM!

Most educated people saw that writing on the wall when CHADS were counted and recounted and done away with, while several thousand Florida State absentee ballots from overseas military personnel, languished on a Navy ship un-counted because the Navy didn't get them off-loaded in time to make the "deadline".

Dammit people! Do you "have eyes to see and ears to hear"?... history is happening all around you!
And your a$$ is on the line.


Sources indeed!
 
while several thousand Florida State absentee ballots from overseas military personnel, languished on a Navy ship un-counted because the Navy didn't get them off-loaded in time to make the "deadline".
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of which a vast majority were for Bush.
 
CDH, do you fancy yourself to be some kind of mindreader? My statement was: "Do we condone the abuses to the Constitution by voting for these bums, or do we allow people to get into office that are going to tick off the conservatives and hope there will be some oversite instead of a rubber stamp? "

Instead of saying I'm wrong and we should't hold Representatives responsible for their votes, you start a personal attack attack on me. If you feel our Representatives should be a rubber stamp for the administration, you sir are NO conservative!
Pointer, I can't argue with your examples, but I was responding to the idea that we should, and I quote: "Do we condone the abuses to the Constitution by voting for these bums, or do we allow people to get into office that are going to tick off the conservatives...?"
The author of that comment is directly suggesting that "conservatives" are basically the evil of the world today, when the only "abuses" any Republicans are being "accused" of today relates to the terrorism monitoring stuff, and the fact is, the President DOES have the authority to do those things especially during times like these.
The spin you see about that subject is that Bush is personally trying to listen in to every word every citizen speaks into a phone and is simply not the case. Of course, that IS what most media sources are wanting you to believe.

Mr. Bob seems to want to get rid of the ONLY hope this country has for bringing our values and laws back in line with the Constitution as written for the most part.
If Mr. Bob has his way, then we will see Democrats drive the agendas that they have been so famous for such as a total ban on pistols and most other guns (including a maximum 6 round limit to magazines as opposed to the Clinton 10 round maximum), they will shove Socialized health care down out throats, they will continue to expand the use of our public school system as an indoctrination tool (more than they already have)*, we'll see crippling environmental regulations that are based on goofy and flawed science, and of course, we'll all see tremendously higher taxes to pay for all their Socialist "wishes and wants" list of legislation.
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Mr. Bob
 
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