Some of you might like this read ... A Soldier's Story

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I don't think Americans feel bad about killing innocent civilians, since they can't distinguish the innocents from the not so innocent since the insurgents won't put on a uniform. While I have never been to Iraq, several of my friends have. They have all been in combat, and everyone of them has admitted to not feeling bad when some innocent dies, because they were in fear for their own lives and did what they felt they had to do. Even in World War II, the Japanese who sacrificed their lives did so while proudly flying their flag. There was no doubt who they were.

The deaths of innocents would be substantially reduced if the enemy would put on a uniform. They don't care when innocents die. As a matter of fact, they use it to their advantage to get more recruits and to drum up support for their jihad. The US takes every step possible to curb civilian deaths, and the blame for those deaths lies with the cowardly insurgents, not the US soldier who actually pulled the trigger. They created the enviroment that gets civilians needlessly killed.
 
I don't think Americans feel bad about killing innocent civilians, since they can't distinguish the innocents from the not so innocent since the insurgents won't put on a uniform. While I have never been to Iraq, several of my friends have. They have all been in combat, and everyone of them has admitted to not feeling bad when some innocent dies, because they were in fear for their own lives and did what they felt they had to do. Even in World War II, the Japanese who sacrificed their lives did so while proudly flying their flag. There was no doubt who they were.
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What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

First of all, I'm not sure you or I can speak for every troop over there. Your friends may claim they never felt bad but my friends claim they did. Some have mentioned becoming ill when learning that the Iraqi they put a bullet in was just a guy trying to go about his day, not an insurgent. Anecdotal information means squat.

But onto the important bit:
The deaths of innocents would be substantially reduced if the enemy would put on a uniform. They don't care when innocents die. As a matter of fact, they use it to their advantage to get more recruits and to drum up support for their jihad. The US takes every step possible to curb civilian deaths, and the blame for those deaths lies with the cowardly insurgents, not the US soldier who actually pulled the trigger. They created the enviroment that gets civilians needlessly killed.
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The deaths of innocents would be substantially reduced if we weren't there in the first place. The blame for the deaths lies with the men who pull the triggers but if you really want to play the indirect blame game then we created the environment by invading their country.
 
I'm in full support of the war in Iraq, even though I don't agree with the politically correct way we are fighting it. Soldiers putting panties on the heads of captured enemy generates more outrage then an insurgent who straps on a bomb and kills Americans as well as innocent civilians.

Fantatic Muslims want you and me dead. I'm glad we took the battle to them before they took any more to us. We haven't been attacked in 5 years on American soil, and it's not for a lack of them trying. I'm sure they'll slip one by and pull one off, but at least we're on the offensive and treating this as a war, and not as criminal actions like our last administration did. We've been ignoring this threat for too long.
 
I'm in full support of the war in Iraq, even though I don't agree with the politically correct way we are fighting it. Soldiers putting panties on the heads of captured enemy generates more outrage then an insurgent who straps on a bomb and kills Americans as well as innocent civilians.
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You being in full support of the war makes no difference to the fact that it was still in invasion of a soveriegn nation and some of the residents of that nation don't take too kindly to being occupied. If anyone "created the environment" that causes innocent Iraqis to be killed it's us.

And that's quite a hyperbole. There is far more outrage over death than humiliation but that doesn't change the fact that said humiliation was illegal.
Fantatic Muslims want you and me dead. I'm glad we took the battle to them before they took any more to us. We haven't been attacked in 5 years on American soil, and it's not for a lack of them trying. I'm sure they'll slip one by and pull one off, but at least we're on the offensive and treating this as a war, and not as criminal actions like our last administration did. We've been ignoring this threat for too long.
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Fanatic christians also want me dead because of who I choose to have sex with. Big fraking deal.

No attack in five years. Yay Bear Patrol!

Homer: Ah, not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away!
Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around here, do you?
Homer: (Looks around) Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.
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For all we know that offensive is exactly what's going to cause the next attack.
 
So you're comparing fanatic muslims who hijacked airliners and slammed them into buildings, killing over 3000 civilians to some fanatic christian? Care to shed some light on the last mass murder fanatical christians caused? Other than the Crusades, please. Ctholics have become far more civilized since then. Muslims haven't.

Insult Muhammed in a cartoon and mass killings take place. Insult the pope and almost nothing happens, other than peaceful protests.

Iraq was far from a soverign nation before we invaded. Other than violating numnerous UN sanctions, Saddam Hussein fired on American fighter planes patrolling over Iraq in accordance with those sanctions. When people say "Iraq never attacked us" and you bring that up, they usually say "Well, that's not really attacking us". Tell that to the pilots. Since when is attacking a US military plane not an act of war? Oh yeah, when The USS Cole was attacked under Clinton. He treated that like another criminal offense.

Might wanna try to avoid using The Simpsons as a basis for your argument. Kind of dumbs it down, don't you think?
 
So you're comparing fanatic muslims who hijacked airliners and slammed them into buildings, killing over 3000 civilians to some fanatic christian? Care to shed some light on the last mass murder fanatical christians caused? Other than the Crusades, please. Ctholics have become far more civilized since then. Muslims haven't.

Insult Muhammed in a cartoon and mass killings take place. Insult the pope and almost nothing happens, other than peaceful protests.
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Yes, there are plenty of fanatic christians that would gladly kill me for being an "abomonation" if they could get away with it. There are plenty that blow up abortion clinics yet claim to be "pro-life". Either way the fanatic Muslims want us dead for a very specific reason: we keep ****ing with their homes. It's not because they "hate freedom", there's no command in the quran to conquer or destroy the non-muslim world.

Insult jesus and you have some pretty pissed off christians, pissed off enough to commit acts of assault, vandalism, even homocide. Don't believe me? Try being a gay man in the deep south.

Let's not get this shut down by turning into a religious debate.
Iraq was far from a soverign nation before we invaded. Other than violating numnerous UN sanctions, Saddam Hussein fired on American fighter planes patrolling over Iraq in accordance with those sanctions. When people say "Iraq never attacked us" and you bring that up, they usually say "Well, that's not really attacking us". Tell that to the pilots. Since when is attacking a US military plane not an act of war? Oh yeah, when The USS Cole was attacked under Clinton. He treated that like another criminal offense.

Might wanna try to avoid using The Simpsons as a basis for your argument. Kind of dumbs it down, don't you think?
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Iraq was as much a soveriegn nation as America is. I don't claim that they never attacked us but they had nothing to do with the events on 9/11 yet the secular Mr Hussien is behind bars while Mr bin Laden - THE FANATIC MUSLIM THAT WANTS US DEAD - is nowhere to be found. Perhaps 150 thousand troops in Afghanistan would have found him.


Using the Simpson's as an example of specious reason is far less dumbed down than actually believing the claim that there have been no attacks because of the invasion.
 
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