Sold my G26, too big to carry, considering "mouse" guns

Thanks for the replies guys. I've never been a fan of Glock's before I bought mine, I know it's stupid to say this, but I just didn't like the way it looked. After owning it, I think they're great guns, I'll probably own a G23 later in my life.

When I did carry the G26, I used a custom made soft leather IWB holster a local guy makes at the local gun show. It was molded for the gun so it fit very nicely in it. I do like the 9mm round, but don't you think a .380 would do some damage too? Considering once it entered the body, instead of exiting, it stays in and makes more damage, correct?

Also, I do like the look and feature of the P238, I'll have to look at those also.

Never been a fan of carrying a revolver conclealed. Now for a back up, maybe in the center console of your car, that's ok.
 
I want a small, lightweight gun that I can just carry in my pocket or in a small holster

I think you have to decide just how you intend to carry your pistol. If you plan on carrying it in your pocket, imo, you want the smallest, lightest handgun you can find, preferably chambered in .380 as opposed to .32 ACP (the Ruger LCP or the Kel-Tec 3AT come to mind; the Seecamp if you can afford it). If most of your carry plans involve a holster, then a lot more doors are opened...
 
Well just got back from the gun store and I'm a proud owner of a P238. I love it and I haven't even carried it or shot it yet. Has many 1911 features which I like, plus it's .380 and fairly light too.
 
TheSandman

I do like the 9mm round, but don't you think a .380 would do some damage too?
Yes it will do some damage. But that is not the right question.
The right question is "Will it stop a human threat quickly?"
The answer is, "Not as likely as a 9mm or more powerful defensive round delivered to the same place."

TheSandman
Considering once it entered the body, instead of exiting, it stays in and makes more damage, correct?
No.
Everything being equal, a bullet that penetrates the entire human body in whatever path it may take will do more damage than a bullet of the same configuration that does not travel as far on that same path.

It seems you may have unrealistic expectations of a defensive handgun bullet's performance. Or you may not have expressed your meaning clearly.
 
I had a G26 for a while. Great gun, but I prefer pocket carry. You don't have to have a mouse gun for pocket carry. 90% of the time (waking hours :eek:) I have the PM9 in my pocket.

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Well, while I'm not a fan of mouse guns, IF I decided I needed something smaller than a Glock 26 (which rides in a FIST IWB holster) then I'd look in these directions:

1) Smith J frame airweight .38
2) Ruger LCP/Kel-Tec P380
3. The new Sig .380 SA (forgot it's designation.)
4) P-64 Polish Mak with Wolf reduced hammer spring (at $250 bucks it ain't bad at all for a small gun.)

But do note, .380 ammo ain't so easy to find. .38s are still kind of hard, and 9x18 Makarov while not hard to find, usually is FMJ unless you can score some Hornaday JHPs (and I have a few boxes!)

And a warning.... if you do have to lock paws with someone in a gunfight, you will find no one ever wished for a smaller gun, nor less ammo! And you will have a small gun and not much ammo (nor powerful ammo.)
 
I love my lcp it's no more noticeable than carrying a cell phone in your pocket. If you want a little more I would suggest a kahr or snubbie.
 
Well just got back from the gun store and I'm a proud owner of a P238. I love it and I haven't even carried it or shot it yet. Has many 1911 features which I like, plus it's .380 and fairly light too.

Congrats on the purchase! I carry a Bersa Thunder 380 every day, and I love it! One word of adivce: buy the best ammo you can. I would highly reccomend either the Corbon DPX or Buffalo Bore ammo. BB make a 380 +P tipped with a Speer Gold Dot bullet, and it is my personal choice.
 
Sandman-Grats on the purchase! i think im the only one who noticed it since no one reads whats said between the first and last post.Except jontz,he hit reply before i was done typing :(
BTW i suggested the P238,its a great gun.
Ive become rather familiar with mine also,its almost exact copy of a series 80 1911 inside the slide,so treat it as one.
I carry mine in my back pocket in a Nemisis holster cocked and locked with Speer Gold dots,Corbon DPX's are the only ammo id call better but its $35 a box if you can find it.

I hope you live in a large town and get google out and search all the local fun shops and see who has .380 in stock,buy 2x what you need so you have enough to test it and enough for the next range trip.
I used to feel the .380 wouldn't be adequate for SD but it is just barely.But once i shot it i felt a lot more comfortable it will do its job respectfully well.

The P238 handles very tame at the range,try that with an LCR or P3AT and your hands will be hurting.
If you ever have feed issues look at the magazines first,i did some very small adjustments to mine and found it doesn't take alot to fix things and it doesn't take alot to screw them up.Its because the gun is so small tho.
 
No.
Everything being equal, a bullet that penetrates the entire human body in whatever path it may take will do more damage than a bullet of the same configuration that does not travel as far on that same path.

It seems you may have unrealistic expectations of a defensive handgun bullet's performance. Or you may not have expressed your meaning clearly.

What I meant was, or at least I was under the impression that a smaller caiber bullet may not create a big hole that a .40 or .45 would, but rather then exiting out the body, once it penetrates, it could bounce off of ribs, spine, etc and destroy organs, no? Sorry for my lack of knowledge if I'm completely wrong, I have a guy at my work who's been into guns for many years and he's the one who told me that. It seems like it would make sense.

Plus, a .380 isn't THAT much smaller then a 9mm, same bullet, just smaller case, correct?

Sandman-Grats on the purchase! i think im the only one who noticed it since no one reads whats said between the first and last post.Except jontz,he hit reply before i was done typing
BTW i suggested the P238,its a great gun.
Ive become rather familiar with mine also,its almost exact copy of a series 80 1911 inside the slide,so treat it as one.
I carry mine in my back pocket in a Nemisis holster cocked and locked with Speer Gold dots,Corbon DPX's are the only ammo id call better but its $35 a box if you can find it.

I hope you live in a large town and get google out and search all the local fun shops and see who has .380 in stock,buy 2x what you need so you have enough to test it and enough for the next range trip.
I used to feel the .380 wouldn't be adequate for SD but it is just barely.But once i shot it i felt a lot more comfortable it will do its job respectfully well.

The P238 handles very tame at the range,try that with an LCR or P3AT and your hands will be hurting.
If you ever have feed issues look at the magazines first,i did some very small adjustments to mine and found it doesn't take alot to fix things and it doesn't take alot to screw them up.Its because the gun is so small tho.

Thanks man, I'm very happy with the purchase so far. Carried it today and loved it, fits nicely in my pocket with the uncle mike's inside-the-pocket holster.

I did notice a feed problem when I was loading the gun, once I put the magazine in, I pulled the slide back to load the camber and the round got hung up on the feed ramp. Pulled the mag back out, loaded the round back in the clip, tried it again and worked fine.

If needed, I still have my Series 70 that I plan on carrying too. I was talking to the guy at the gun store and he was carrying his Kimber IWB, I asked him how comfortable was it because I'd love the carry mine, just a big gun I thought. He said it's suprising comfortable, he was carrying at the 5 'o clock position, he had a Galco holster, not sure what model though. It clipped on the belt and half the gun was in, half was out.
 
What I meant was, or at least I was under the impression that a smaller caiber bullet may not create a big hole that a .40 or .45 would, but rather then exiting out the body, once it penetrates, it could bounce off of ribs, spine, etc and destroy organs, no? Sorry for my lack of knowledge if I'm completely wrong, I have a guy at my work who's been into guns for many years and he's the one who told me that. It seems like it would make sense.

I don't think you can count on a bullet to "bounce off ribs, etc." That's pretty much an old wive's tale. The issue with the .380 round is that it is somewhat lacking in ballistic performance. With proper loads, a 9mm/40cal/45cal bullet will penetrate to a minimum of 12" (which is the FBI-recommended minimum depth) and expand to at least 1-1/2 times its unfired diameter. A .380 will either expand, or penetrate to the desired depth, not both. For this reason, when I am carrying a .380, it is loaded with FMJ ammo.

Here is a good resource for handgun ballistic info: http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=91

Specifically, check out this page for info on service caliber(9mm and up) cartridges: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

Plus, a .380 isn't THAT much smaller then a 9mm, same bullet, just smaller case, correct?

The .380 cartridge doesn't use the same bullets as 9mm; .380 rounds are typically in the neighborhood of 90-102 grains in bullet weight; 9mm rounds are usually from 115gr. to 147gr.

I did notice a feed problem when I was loading the gun, once I put the magazine in, I pulled the slide back to load the camber and the round got hung up on the feed ramp. Pulled the mag back out, loaded the round back in the clip, tried it again and worked fine.

Could you have been riding the slide back? Especially with small pistols, anything that impedes the slide's velocity going back into battery can cause a malfunction.
 
I have an LCP and love it. Great for summer carry - it disapears in the front pants or shorts pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.
 
Does it have to be an auto? Some of the alloy framed j-frames are excellent carry guns. I can simply slip mine in my pants pocket even when wearing shorts in the summer. Reliability is never a question either.
 
The .380 cartridge doesn't use the same bullets as 9mm; .380 rounds are typically in the neighborhood of 90-102 grains in bullet weight; 9mm rounds are usually from 115gr. to 147gr.

I thought a .380 was considered a 9mm short?


I mean, did I make a bad decision on which gun to carry? I figured .380 would be sufficient enough for personal defense, did I go in the wrong direction?

For the record too, when I carry the P238, I carry gold dot's.
 
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