So where do all the bad guns go?
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Onward Allusion
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For me -
They're parted out, sold as a complete gun for parts only, sit in back of safe, or gets sold with full disclosure.
They're parted out, sold as a complete gun for parts only, sit in back of safe, or gets sold with full disclosure.
Walklightly
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It's not the bad gun's fault, it's the bad people that buy them.
I have bought at least one gun that sold for a "suspiciously" low price, to find out that it would not fire. However, I am a compulsive fixer and really enjoy the mechanical challenge of getting things to work. The experience of discovering and correcting the problem was a very pleasant experience for me. Once the problem was fixed, functioned correctly, my interest in the gun wained and I sold it and looked for another challenge.
ScottRiqui
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Regarding problematic guns, here are the sum total of the "problems" I've had with my guns:
New Remington 870 that wouldn't extract reliably - The channel where the extractor spring & follower reside was gunked up and needed cleaning.
New Walther P22 spitting spent cases at my forehead - new extractor from Volquartsen fixed the problem.
New Springfield EMP that wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty magazine - Springfield sent me a new slide stop pin with a slightly different profile that fixed the problem completely.
80-year old S&W pre-Model 10 wouldn't allow me open the cylinder - the threaded rod that screws into the extractor star had come unscrewed.
That's it (although I've only owned about a dozen guns).
My point is, guns are not extremely complex, so unless there's an inherent flaw in the design, or catastrophic damage, is it really that difficult/expensive is it to get one running right, as opposed to selling it off at a loss or as a "parts gun"? I guess parts availability could also be a problem with older guns, though.
New Remington 870 that wouldn't extract reliably - The channel where the extractor spring & follower reside was gunked up and needed cleaning.
New Walther P22 spitting spent cases at my forehead - new extractor from Volquartsen fixed the problem.
New Springfield EMP that wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty magazine - Springfield sent me a new slide stop pin with a slightly different profile that fixed the problem completely.
80-year old S&W pre-Model 10 wouldn't allow me open the cylinder - the threaded rod that screws into the extractor star had come unscrewed.
That's it (although I've only owned about a dozen guns).
My point is, guns are not extremely complex, so unless there's an inherent flaw in the design, or catastrophic damage, is it really that difficult/expensive is it to get one running right, as opposed to selling it off at a loss or as a "parts gun"? I guess parts availability could also be a problem with older guns, though.
In 35 years I have had only one “Lemmon”. An S&W PPK in 380. I tried everything to get that gun to work. Put over 400 rounds through it and got only several full magazines through it without a failure. Different mags, many different rounds and different shooters. The 400 were all hardball which should have been the easiest to shoot reliably.
Took it back to the gun store owner told him of my problem and we agreed that he would send it back to S&W to get fixed and when it was fixed he would give me 75% of my money back. Took about a month.
I will treat a gun shop as well as they treat me. He offered to send it back on his nickel and get it fixed but since I purchased the gun as a carry piece for my wife, once a gun fails like that it will never be trusted again.
Yes I could have sold or traded it for another gun but there are a limited number of gun stores in the city where I live and I do a lot of trading in those gun shops. That is why I won’t drop a piece of crap on them. If I cheat them on a lemon how do I expect them to treat me later on?
I feel that doing that to a reputable business without telling them is as bad as selling that same gun to a friend. And do you really want to be responsible for possibly getting some innocent person killed because of a serious reliability problem with a gun. If you think that most gun shops test fire used guns your mistaken.
Took it back to the gun store owner told him of my problem and we agreed that he would send it back to S&W to get fixed and when it was fixed he would give me 75% of my money back. Took about a month.
I will treat a gun shop as well as they treat me. He offered to send it back on his nickel and get it fixed but since I purchased the gun as a carry piece for my wife, once a gun fails like that it will never be trusted again.
Yes I could have sold or traded it for another gun but there are a limited number of gun stores in the city where I live and I do a lot of trading in those gun shops. That is why I won’t drop a piece of crap on them. If I cheat them on a lemon how do I expect them to treat me later on?
I feel that doing that to a reputable business without telling them is as bad as selling that same gun to a friend. And do you really want to be responsible for possibly getting some innocent person killed because of a serious reliability problem with a gun. If you think that most gun shops test fire used guns your mistaken.
SilentHitz
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Eric Holder sends em to Mexico.
Heavy Metal 1
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"I just got one AT a gunshow, from one of those dealers who goes to shows but doesn't have his own place. A nice-looking Smith Model 66 that WILL NOT eject magnum cases. Should have noticed those scratch marks on the back of the cylinder.....live and learn
In 35 years I have had only one “Lemmon”. An S&W PPK in 380
New Remington 870 that wouldn't extract reliably - The channel where the extractor spring & follower reside was gunked up and needed cleaning.
New Walther P22 spitting spent cases at my forehead - new extractor from Volquartsen fixed the problem.
New Springfield EMP that wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty magazine - Springfield sent me a new slide stop pin with a slightly different profile that fixed the problem completely.
80-year old S&W pre-Model 10 wouldn't allow me open the cylinder - the threaded rod that screws into the extractor star had come unscrewed."
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? You mean manufacturers other than Taurus have problematic products? Well golly gee willigers...I hope all the Taurus haters have been paying attention.
Getting real tired of the Taurus=crap & Dillon=God mantra. I must be the only person in the world w/ a good Taurus & a working Lee Pro 1000.
OK, I feel better now
In 35 years I have had only one “Lemmon”. An S&W PPK in 380
New Remington 870 that wouldn't extract reliably - The channel where the extractor spring & follower reside was gunked up and needed cleaning.
New Walther P22 spitting spent cases at my forehead - new extractor from Volquartsen fixed the problem.
New Springfield EMP that wouldn't lock the slide back on an empty magazine - Springfield sent me a new slide stop pin with a slightly different profile that fixed the problem completely.
80-year old S&W pre-Model 10 wouldn't allow me open the cylinder - the threaded rod that screws into the extractor star had come unscrewed."
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? You mean manufacturers other than Taurus have problematic products?
Well golly gee willigers...I hope all the Taurus haters have been paying attention.Getting real tired of the Taurus=crap & Dillon=God mantra. I must be the only person in the world w/ a good Taurus & a working Lee Pro 1000.
OK, I feel better now
Walklightly
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TinyDee
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Care to elaborate on such an intelligent comment.
I had a Taurus 608 4", and it turned out to be a good one, so good I sold it to my brother with faith. So that's one good one.
Not that I'd buy another, except a 905 maybe for a good price, only because 9mm revolver in S&W are rare and expensive. And I have 5000+ rounds of 9mm rounds.
TBS, I don't promote Taurus, but I don't dog a company without an explanation.
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Walklightly
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I had a Rossi that Rossi couldn't fix, they sent me a new one.
hay folks new guy here
what your opinion a a long gun that has only a few hunderd rounds thru it and every 20 rounds some issue comes up , mfgr has repaired many times I love the gun, but have second thoughts about selling to some unknowing soul , in the mean time I am sitting on a piece of pretty steel to the tune of
5K .
what your opinion a a long gun that has only a few hunderd rounds thru it and every 20 rounds some issue comes up , mfgr has repaired many times I love the gun, but have second thoughts about selling to some unknowing soul , in the mean time I am sitting on a piece of pretty steel to the tune of
5K .
Shadi Khalil
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I've sold plenty of problem guns. Most were Taurus and each one had some kind of problem that I disclosed. When that type of situation arises, I send it back to the factory, run a box through once it gets back and of its good to go, I sell it.
Edward429451
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No, that's called Capitalism!~
The one gun I had a problem with was a Beretta 9000S in 9mm that I could not get a whole mag through without an issue of some sort. I had a couple smiths look at it and they could see nothing wrong.
History with the gun is that I bought it at a gunshow LNIB. It looked like it had not had a round through it. I put probably a couple hundred frustrating rounds through it before I got so aggravated I wanted to get rid of it.
I took it to a LGS and the owner was very short with me and thought he knew everything. He offered me more in store credit then I anticipated. His offer was before I could even tell him how much I wanted for it or that I was having problems with it.
I don't plan on buying any used guns again, it is tempting though....
History with the gun is that I bought it at a gunshow LNIB. It looked like it had not had a round through it. I put probably a couple hundred frustrating rounds through it before I got so aggravated I wanted to get rid of it.
I took it to a LGS and the owner was very short with me and thought he knew everything. He offered me more in store credit then I anticipated. His offer was before I could even tell him how much I wanted for it or that I was having problems with it.
I don't plan on buying any used guns again, it is tempting though....