So what do we do about Iran?
- Thread starter MeekAndMild
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Other than maybe supporting an internal revolution, I say leave them alone and let them fight it out. Horning in on middle east affairs is what brought us to where we're at now.
We're over extended as it is. Getting tangled up in another military adventure is the last thing we need. Everyone seems to forget that we still need to keep a tight grip on our bat in case the crazy little man in North Korea decides to take advantage and needs a good whack. Plus the crazy little man's northern and western neighbors aren't exactly our friends either and are as likely to stab us in a moment of weakness if given the opportunity. And..........we have border problems in our own backyard that need addressed.
Iran can't be so stupid as to think that launching a nuke at Israel isn't going to affect the rest of the middle east with the after affects of a nuclear blast.
Nor can they be so stupid as to think the rest of the middle eastern countries are going to sit back and cheer them for initiating a nuclear exchange in their backyard. And that doesen't even factor in that Israel will unload everything in their arsenal in retaliation.
We're over extended as it is. Getting tangled up in another military adventure is the last thing we need. Everyone seems to forget that we still need to keep a tight grip on our bat in case the crazy little man in North Korea decides to take advantage and needs a good whack. Plus the crazy little man's northern and western neighbors aren't exactly our friends either and are as likely to stab us in a moment of weakness if given the opportunity. And..........we have border problems in our own backyard that need addressed.
Iran can't be so stupid as to think that launching a nuke at Israel isn't going to affect the rest of the middle east with the after affects of a nuclear blast.
Nor can they be so stupid as to think the rest of the middle eastern countries are going to sit back and cheer them for initiating a nuclear exchange in their backyard. And that doesen't even factor in that Israel will unload everything in their arsenal in retaliation.
andersencs
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Tactical nuke or Artillary shell
A cruise missile with a tactical nuke or a large battleship-lobbed shell ought to flatten their nuclear dreams.
A cruise missile with a tactical nuke or a large battleship-lobbed shell ought to flatten their nuclear dreams.
Posted on THR's similar thread
You're right, Iran is certainly not "stoneage "like Afghanistan, or Pakistan. I lived theere for several years under the Shah, during the revolution, and for a time after it. (was married to an Iranian). Living now only 60 miles away in the UAE, I have many Iranian friends and collegues where I work. There are a half million Iranians living in the UAE who travel regularly back and forth, so I keep up to date as to what's going on there. (may even make a visit there myself soon as a guest of my friends). Iran has a very modern infrastructure and a highly educated population, thanks to the Shah, many who have been educated in the USA, (their favorite place ),(my ex-wife has 4 nieces studying HARD sciences at the U. of Az, a brother teaching at MIT).
Keep in mind that Iran has the second highest oil reserves. These people are not Arabs, have a very high civilization and culture that dates back more than 2500 years and are not "mentally challenged" like some of thier neighbors in the Gulf who stumbled out of the desert after western oil companies found oil and started them on the road to excessive riches. There haven't been any Iranian suicide bombers, and they are not among the "foreign fighters" around the world.
Although this new president has a big mouth, a lot of this is "talk" IMHO. Leaders in this part of the world do that a lot, I see it in the local papers everyday.
There's also the Shi'a(Iran)-Sunni (Arab) Muslim split that has a powerful influence on politics in this area. The Gulf arabs have a long standing nervousness about Iran because Iran has a population double that of all the Gulf arab states combined, AND there are a few outstanding border and territory issues (Abu Moussa, and the greater and lesser Tumbs islands in the gulf) that get almost daily coverage. Now while the Arab Gulf States would not openly applaud an air strike on Iran, they would privately be happy and maybe make a few negative comments about western interference (for local comsumption), at the same time increasing oil production to make up for any shortfall. They see themselves as a possible target of a nuke just as Isreal does.
In the end, I think a " wait and see" attitude is the the best from my perspective. The Iranian people have made signifcant gains in personal freedom since the days right after the revolution, and only see it getting better. The government well knows how unpopular they are and would be reticent to upset the applecart so drastically thereby provoking a new revolution that would quickly topple the Ayatollhs. In time there own people will have to fix this situation.
You're right, Iran is certainly not "stoneage "like Afghanistan, or Pakistan. I lived theere for several years under the Shah, during the revolution, and for a time after it. (was married to an Iranian). Living now only 60 miles away in the UAE, I have many Iranian friends and collegues where I work. There are a half million Iranians living in the UAE who travel regularly back and forth, so I keep up to date as to what's going on there. (may even make a visit there myself soon as a guest of my friends). Iran has a very modern infrastructure and a highly educated population, thanks to the Shah, many who have been educated in the USA, (their favorite place ),(my ex-wife has 4 nieces studying HARD sciences at the U. of Az, a brother teaching at MIT).
Keep in mind that Iran has the second highest oil reserves. These people are not Arabs, have a very high civilization and culture that dates back more than 2500 years and are not "mentally challenged" like some of thier neighbors in the Gulf who stumbled out of the desert after western oil companies found oil and started them on the road to excessive riches. There haven't been any Iranian suicide bombers, and they are not among the "foreign fighters" around the world.
Although this new president has a big mouth, a lot of this is "talk" IMHO. Leaders in this part of the world do that a lot, I see it in the local papers everyday.
There's also the Shi'a(Iran)-Sunni (Arab) Muslim split that has a powerful influence on politics in this area. The Gulf arabs have a long standing nervousness about Iran because Iran has a population double that of all the Gulf arab states combined, AND there are a few outstanding border and territory issues (Abu Moussa, and the greater and lesser Tumbs islands in the gulf) that get almost daily coverage. Now while the Arab Gulf States would not openly applaud an air strike on Iran, they would privately be happy and maybe make a few negative comments about western interference (for local comsumption), at the same time increasing oil production to make up for any shortfall. They see themselves as a possible target of a nuke just as Isreal does.
In the end, I think a " wait and see" attitude is the the best from my perspective. The Iranian people have made signifcant gains in personal freedom since the days right after the revolution, and only see it getting better. The government well knows how unpopular they are and would be reticent to upset the applecart so drastically thereby provoking a new revolution that would quickly topple the Ayatollhs. In time there own people will have to fix this situation.
Superhornet
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Four "G" pull up at IP with a 72 degree over the shoulder AJB-3A pitch computer auto release, 1800 foot barometric fuzed/ or / Rad alt. controlled air burst. ...IMHO of course.
Master Blaster
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I would let Vladamir Putin know that if the Iranians launch a nuclear strike at Israel or the USA, we will hold him personally responsible, and that we are retargeting several of our nuclear missiles, at Moscow as well as Tehran, and thet they will be the first targets hit.
I would then let him know that we will be selling our best weapons to the Ukraine, Georgia, and the Chechnyans.
Of course this could all be avoided if he takes action on Iran immediately, by pulling out all his military advisors, and stopping the sale of weapons and nuclear technology to Iran.
I would also let the Chinese know that we are considering putting a 300% tarriff on all goods made in China.
I would then let him know that we will be selling our best weapons to the Ukraine, Georgia, and the Chechnyans.
Of course this could all be avoided if he takes action on Iran immediately, by pulling out all his military advisors, and stopping the sale of weapons and nuclear technology to Iran.
I would also let the Chinese know that we are considering putting a 300% tarriff on all goods made in China.
andersencs
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I'm with Superhornet despite being part Persian (Iranian)
Superhornet has the perfect recipe-kind of like Massad Ayoob's prescription for moops: take two 125 grain hollow point lead projectiles. Drive them at 1350 feet per second and aim for the center of mass.
Being one eight Iranian myself, I have taken a keen interest in the goings on the the middle east. The one thing they understand in the Arab world is naked force. The most simple and most expedient way to deter Iran's pan-arab pipe dreams is to flatten their reactor and leave the serial number on the bomb.
Superhornet has the perfect recipe-kind of like Massad Ayoob's prescription for moops: take two 125 grain hollow point lead projectiles. Drive them at 1350 feet per second and aim for the center of mass.
Being one eight Iranian myself, I have taken a keen interest in the goings on the the middle east. The one thing they understand in the Arab world is naked force. The most simple and most expedient way to deter Iran's pan-arab pipe dreams is to flatten their reactor and leave the serial number on the bomb.
ZEN900
Trouble has been brewing in that neck of the woods since the 1920s when there was a revolt by the Arabs who attacked the jews. You had the Jaffa riots in 1922 and another riot around 1929. You also had attacks against he Jewish settlers in the 1930s by Arab organizations.The British and French had far more years in that neck of the woods than we do. Israel was created by the United Nations in 1947. After that they were killing each other in greater numbers. On May 14th in 1948 after the British mandate expired Israel declared its Independence and was recognized by the US and the Soviet Union as well as other countries. The Israeli Air force purchased planes from Czechoslovakia...lol
The US only gave assitance in the form of loans to Israel for a long time. Only when the Soviet Union started supplying the Arabs did the US finally start supplying Israel.
The current war with Islam has to do with western culture which is in direct oposition to Islam. Islam is a religion which directs everything form a good muslims bathroom habits, how he does his hair, clothing, to politics and warfare. Israel is just an excuse. If you gave Israel back to them today you would still have the same problem.
There was no reformation in Islam as occured in Chrisitanity which gave rise to secluarism. There is only one somewhat democrat secularist Islamic nation which is Turkey.
This guys website is worth a read.......
http://www.fethullahgulen.org/?PHPSESSID=c7f35515a2d0c4ab86e4256d57bbd9d6
Trouble has been brewing in that neck of the woods since the 1920s when there was a revolt by the Arabs who attacked the jews. You had the Jaffa riots in 1922 and another riot around 1929. You also had attacks against he Jewish settlers in the 1930s by Arab organizations.The British and French had far more years in that neck of the woods than we do. Israel was created by the United Nations in 1947. After that they were killing each other in greater numbers. On May 14th in 1948 after the British mandate expired Israel declared its Independence and was recognized by the US and the Soviet Union as well as other countries. The Israeli Air force purchased planes from Czechoslovakia...lol
The US only gave assitance in the form of loans to Israel for a long time. Only when the Soviet Union started supplying the Arabs did the US finally start supplying Israel.
The current war with Islam has to do with western culture which is in direct oposition to Islam. Islam is a religion which directs everything form a good muslims bathroom habits, how he does his hair, clothing, to politics and warfare. Israel is just an excuse. If you gave Israel back to them today you would still have the same problem.
There was no reformation in Islam as occured in Chrisitanity which gave rise to secluarism. There is only one somewhat democrat secularist Islamic nation which is Turkey.
This guys website is worth a read.......
http://www.fethullahgulen.org/?PHPSESSID=c7f35515a2d0c4ab86e4256d57bbd9d6
MeekAndMild
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Some figures on population. Iran: 68 Million, Iraq: 22 Million, Turkey 63 Million.
In the middle of these countries there are some 20 Million Kurds. Whether they are claimed as population by any of them I don't know, but I guess they are. The Kurds would like their own state. I think this should be encouraged.
Iraq could be effectively spilt up and neutralised.
With a friendly Kurdistan on the border with Iran there would be a number of interesting possibilities (and localisation of any conflict.)
In the middle of these countries there are some 20 Million Kurds. Whether they are claimed as population by any of them I don't know, but I guess they are. The Kurds would like their own state. I think this should be encouraged.
Iraq could be effectively spilt up and neutralised.
With a friendly Kurdistan on the border with Iran there would be a number of interesting possibilities (and localisation of any conflict.)
Read the rest of the sentence, there is a qualifier to it.
First, off 9/11 happened in NY not the Middle East. There was no (pardon the pun) immediate fallout affecting the entire region as a result. Think about it, while we're busy tilting at windmills in Iraq, our real enemies are going about business as usual having not suffered any of the consequences of 9/11.
Secondly, the middle east is a small region. A nuclear blast whether in Israel, Iran or both is going to affect everybody in ME region with EMP and radioactive fallout. It's also likely to show up across the Med and wherever else the wind carries it.
I'm pretty certain that if Iran launches a first strike there are going to be a lot of unhappy countries we never thought about taking a whack at them.
My post from THR
Russia surely doesn't want a nuclear Iran on it's doorstep, ready to export nuclear material to Chechniya or any of the other Muslim populated former and present territories that surround it. They won't come out and say it blatently because of the trade they have with Iran, (and their desire to see us sweat), but I guarentee there's a lot of mid-night oil being burned in the Kremlin over this issue.
Iran doesn't have weapons sitting on lauch pads ready to go, it may be years before they do. If they wanted to go the dirty bomb route from a pick-up truck, they could have done that years ago.
China has lived with a nuclear N. Korea for years next-door, and while they are not the targets of them, (S. Korea is), they have acted as a restraint to their use. They are also big trading partners with Iran. China, and Russia to a lesser extent are in a major economic development stage and have a lot more to lose than we do in the event a major upheaval in the middle east. The US only gets 10-15% of it's oil from the Gulf. Europe and Japan-East Asia are the major recipients of Gulf oil. If we back off and stand mute, they should, and will do all they can to reign in the Iranians.
As I said before, "talk is cheap" and the Ayatollahs are laughing at the response they are getting from "the great Satan", the US, by throwing out a few caustic remarks. We are falling into their trap.
I think we have too much on our plate over here to get heavily involved in this one. The Israelis are fully capable of taking care of themselves when the time is ready.
For a change, we have the world aligned with us, let them take the lead and the heat. As Winston Churchill (no dove by any means) said "Jaw, Jaw is better than war, war".
Something that gets overlooked because it's well nigh unbelievable is that there is a LOT of good will towards the USA people (not the US gov't)on the Iranian and Arab "street". I know this personally because I am in daily contact with Arabs from all Arab countries and Iranians, literally on the Arab street here in the UAE. They aren't all completely stupid and they realize that America is a great place of freedom and opportunity regardless of who you are, what your family name is and what your background is, which is totally opposite of where they all come from. (If you haven't spent time outside the USA it's difficult to conceive what life is like where you have to measure every word and action as there is no rule of law and no bill of rights, you should thank your lucky stars that you're in the USA, something I NEVER forget).The line at the American Consulate here forms at 5 am for people who want to get American VISAs. The fist shaking, flag burning yahoos that you see on CNN are a tiny part of any middle eastern population. Everyone has a brother, cousin, uncle, aunt in the USA, (" I have a brother in New York, his name is Mohammed, do you know him?" is an oft asked question). It would be foolish to squander this good will. Nobody around here wants to see more nukes in the area, and while they resent Israel's possession of them, they know that Israel is not irresponsible like some of their own governments are. TABING
This just in from the BBC:
Iran crisis a dilemma for China
By Jill McGivering
BBC News
As Washington, now joined by the EU3, presses for punitive international action against Tehran, one of its most difficult tasks will be to win China's support.
The first step is to persuade China to agree to support - or not to block - an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) referral of Iran to the UN Security Council.
China, like Russia, feels it is in an awkward position.
An important development for Beijing will be how Russia decides to react.
Initial reports from Washington, soon after news broke that Iran was resuming work, said that Moscow had privately agreed not to veto referral to the Security Council but it is still unclear if that is true.
Diplomatic preference
If it were, Beijing could find itself diplomatically isolated. That would only increase the pressure on Beijing to follow Moscow's lead.
But Beijing would like to avoid that crisis altogether if it possibly can. Its own focus is firmly on a non-confrontational diplomatic solution to the crisis.
Beijing's initial reaction to news that Iran was breaking its deal with the EU3 was to express its concern, but immediately reaffirm its commitment to multilateral negotiations.
Since then, the diplomatic temperature has increased dramatically but China has refused to change its position.
Officials have repeated the Chinese government's view that the best way forward is to restart the EU3 diplomacy with Iran, despite the fact many in the West are now dismissing it as exhausted.
China's work behind the scenes seems to be focussed on trying to keep the diplomacy alive.
Energy ties
China's most obvious interest is energy.
Three years ago, when Iran was already supplying 13 per cent of China's oil needs, the two governments signed a major deal which included Chinese development of Iranian oil fields.
It is a source of supply of growing importance for China - one it doesn't want disrupted by politics.
China also has a deeply-engrained reluctance to takes sides with the US against a fellow non-Western nation.
Much of its current energy-driven diplomacy is on forging political alliances which exclude the West and are faithful to Chinese principles of non-interference in each other's internal affairs.
But Beijing is also keen not to cause fresh tensions in its relationship with Washington.
Compliance on Iran may be seen by Washington as an important test of its sincerity.
'Force for peace'
The Bush administration is pressing China hard to be a more engaged and responsible player on the international stage as it emerges as an increasingly dominant world power.
Support on North Korea and Iran are exactly what it has in mind, a way of proving to Washington that China is, as it claims, a force for peace in the world and can be trusted at a time of crisis.
China has shown itself willing to play an active role as long as the focus in both cases is on peaceful diplomacy but it's unclear whether China would be prepared to endorse US-led punitive action which could be detrimental to its own interest.
Chinese willingness to take sides with the US against a friend and energy supplier like Iran could alarm some of its other suppliers, from Sudan to Burma.
All of this will be high on the agenda of Hu Jintao's forthcoming visit to Washington, expected in April.
For China, they are impossible choices. As Beijing scours the world for oil and gas, its strategy is to keep politics and energy as separate as possible, however impossible a task that is starting to look.
Russia surely doesn't want a nuclear Iran on it's doorstep, ready to export nuclear material to Chechniya or any of the other Muslim populated former and present territories that surround it. They won't come out and say it blatently because of the trade they have with Iran, (and their desire to see us sweat), but I guarentee there's a lot of mid-night oil being burned in the Kremlin over this issue.
Iran doesn't have weapons sitting on lauch pads ready to go, it may be years before they do. If they wanted to go the dirty bomb route from a pick-up truck, they could have done that years ago.
China has lived with a nuclear N. Korea for years next-door, and while they are not the targets of them, (S. Korea is), they have acted as a restraint to their use. They are also big trading partners with Iran. China, and Russia to a lesser extent are in a major economic development stage and have a lot more to lose than we do in the event a major upheaval in the middle east. The US only gets 10-15% of it's oil from the Gulf. Europe and Japan-East Asia are the major recipients of Gulf oil. If we back off and stand mute, they should, and will do all they can to reign in the Iranians.
As I said before, "talk is cheap" and the Ayatollahs are laughing at the response they are getting from "the great Satan", the US, by throwing out a few caustic remarks. We are falling into their trap.
I think we have too much on our plate over here to get heavily involved in this one. The Israelis are fully capable of taking care of themselves when the time is ready.
For a change, we have the world aligned with us, let them take the lead and the heat. As Winston Churchill (no dove by any means) said "Jaw, Jaw is better than war, war".
Something that gets overlooked because it's well nigh unbelievable is that there is a LOT of good will towards the USA people (not the US gov't)on the Iranian and Arab "street". I know this personally because I am in daily contact with Arabs from all Arab countries and Iranians, literally on the Arab street here in the UAE. They aren't all completely stupid and they realize that America is a great place of freedom and opportunity regardless of who you are, what your family name is and what your background is, which is totally opposite of where they all come from. (If you haven't spent time outside the USA it's difficult to conceive what life is like where you have to measure every word and action as there is no rule of law and no bill of rights, you should thank your lucky stars that you're in the USA, something I NEVER forget).The line at the American Consulate here forms at 5 am for people who want to get American VISAs. The fist shaking, flag burning yahoos that you see on CNN are a tiny part of any middle eastern population. Everyone has a brother, cousin, uncle, aunt in the USA, (" I have a brother in New York, his name is Mohammed, do you know him?" is an oft asked question). It would be foolish to squander this good will. Nobody around here wants to see more nukes in the area, and while they resent Israel's possession of them, they know that Israel is not irresponsible like some of their own governments are. TABING
This just in from the BBC:
Iran crisis a dilemma for China
By Jill McGivering
BBC News
As Washington, now joined by the EU3, presses for punitive international action against Tehran, one of its most difficult tasks will be to win China's support.
The first step is to persuade China to agree to support - or not to block - an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) referral of Iran to the UN Security Council.
China, like Russia, feels it is in an awkward position.
An important development for Beijing will be how Russia decides to react.
Initial reports from Washington, soon after news broke that Iran was resuming work, said that Moscow had privately agreed not to veto referral to the Security Council but it is still unclear if that is true.
Diplomatic preference
If it were, Beijing could find itself diplomatically isolated. That would only increase the pressure on Beijing to follow Moscow's lead.
But Beijing would like to avoid that crisis altogether if it possibly can. Its own focus is firmly on a non-confrontational diplomatic solution to the crisis.
Beijing's initial reaction to news that Iran was breaking its deal with the EU3 was to express its concern, but immediately reaffirm its commitment to multilateral negotiations.
Since then, the diplomatic temperature has increased dramatically but China has refused to change its position.
Officials have repeated the Chinese government's view that the best way forward is to restart the EU3 diplomacy with Iran, despite the fact many in the West are now dismissing it as exhausted.
China's work behind the scenes seems to be focussed on trying to keep the diplomacy alive.
Energy ties
China's most obvious interest is energy.
Three years ago, when Iran was already supplying 13 per cent of China's oil needs, the two governments signed a major deal which included Chinese development of Iranian oil fields.
It is a source of supply of growing importance for China - one it doesn't want disrupted by politics.
China also has a deeply-engrained reluctance to takes sides with the US against a fellow non-Western nation.
Much of its current energy-driven diplomacy is on forging political alliances which exclude the West and are faithful to Chinese principles of non-interference in each other's internal affairs.
But Beijing is also keen not to cause fresh tensions in its relationship with Washington.
Compliance on Iran may be seen by Washington as an important test of its sincerity.
'Force for peace'
The Bush administration is pressing China hard to be a more engaged and responsible player on the international stage as it emerges as an increasingly dominant world power.
Support on North Korea and Iran are exactly what it has in mind, a way of proving to Washington that China is, as it claims, a force for peace in the world and can be trusted at a time of crisis.
China has shown itself willing to play an active role as long as the focus in both cases is on peaceful diplomacy but it's unclear whether China would be prepared to endorse US-led punitive action which could be detrimental to its own interest.
Chinese willingness to take sides with the US against a friend and energy supplier like Iran could alarm some of its other suppliers, from Sudan to Burma.
All of this will be high on the agenda of Hu Jintao's forthcoming visit to Washington, expected in April.
For China, they are impossible choices. As Beijing scours the world for oil and gas, its strategy is to keep politics and energy as separate as possible, however impossible a task that is starting to look.
Optical Serenity
New member
The vast majority of their population loves the U.S. It is only their govt (and not even all of it) that is against us and Israel. I see no choice but to help the people there overthrow their government, but that will require severe military guidance from us.
And no, i don't believe it will be easy. Iran is a large country, with over 65 million people, and a huge young population to draft, and crazy terrain. They also have more planes, ships, subs, etc than Iraq did.
And no, i don't believe it will be easy. Iran is a large country, with over 65 million people, and a huge young population to draft, and crazy terrain. They also have more planes, ships, subs, etc than Iraq did.
How in the world did you arrive at this conclusion? An attack on them would probaly see our troops greeted with flowers, hugs and dancing in the street, just like Iraq.:barf:
I say, leave um to #$% alone. Why should they not have nuclear energy as long as it is for peacful purposes? Their nieghbors and sworm enemys have the weapons, so why not? I believe that if we were the only country in this part of the world that did not have um, we would be trying to get um. As for as I know there is no evidence to prove that they are making weapons except maybe the same group who discovered the WMD in Iraq.
badaceds650
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assisination
i say we kill the president of iran i know its its illegal to do but it better then atomic war isnt it ?
i say we kill the president of iran i know its its illegal to do but it better then atomic war isnt it ?
There has been alot of news lately from Europe on their view of Iran getting the bomb. Also there is alot of history that should be pointed out as to why we are here today going through this.
The Shah of Iran was an evil despot that did alot to his people that is like most of the rulers in the middle east. Jimmy Carter (democrat) helped get the Shah out of power (and he died shortly there after of cancer) and allowed the Mullahs to take over Iran. Ever since then we have had the Muslim fanatics growing in the middle east.
Don't believe me then look it up.
Fance is no longer happy wth the Muslims after all the fires and Germany is comming out against them too.
Escalation as China backs Iran will make this very dangerouse.
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The Shah of Iran was an evil despot that did alot to his people that is like most of the rulers in the middle east. Jimmy Carter (democrat) helped get the Shah out of power (and he died shortly there after of cancer) and allowed the Mullahs to take over Iran. Ever since then we have had the Muslim fanatics growing in the middle east.
Don't believe me then look it up.
Fance is no longer happy wth the Muslims after all the fires and Germany is comming out against them too.
Escalation as China backs Iran will make this very dangerouse.
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LoneStranger
New member
While I understand the desire to immediately start bashing on someone that is considered a threat those of us who do not fit the bill as a knuckle dragger with limited verbal abilities look at other options.
The information I have at this time is that Iran like China and other oppressive societies has installed serious firewalls on their Internet in an attempt to restrict information to govt. allowed sources. This indicates something that they fear. That their respective governments fear the free access to information by those they wish to oppress and control.
So, how about figuring out a way to break the oppressors firewalls and let the people of Iran see the World, talk to the World, and most importantly see and talk to each other.
Freedom of information brings Freedom!
So we should be looking at making Information more free in Iran. This gives their leadership a lot more hot potatoes to juggle with the knowledge that they will never know which potatoe is actually a hand grenade, with or without pin.
While it should be noted under this scenario that feudal-socialist agencies will always seek to start a war, health of the State and all, it might be easier to avoid physical contact until internal problems jam them up.
The information I have at this time is that Iran like China and other oppressive societies has installed serious firewalls on their Internet in an attempt to restrict information to govt. allowed sources. This indicates something that they fear. That their respective governments fear the free access to information by those they wish to oppress and control.
So, how about figuring out a way to break the oppressors firewalls and let the people of Iran see the World, talk to the World, and most importantly see and talk to each other.
Freedom of information brings Freedom!
So we should be looking at making Information more free in Iran. This gives their leadership a lot more hot potatoes to juggle with the knowledge that they will never know which potatoe is actually a hand grenade, with or without pin.
While it should be noted under this scenario that feudal-socialist agencies will always seek to start a war, health of the State and all, it might be easier to avoid physical contact until internal problems jam them up.