So that new Ruger Security-9...

[sigarms228]

Here's the thing, how many rounds is someone really going to fire who buys a pistol primarily based on price (when for high volume shooters the cost of ammo will easily eclipse the price of the pistol itself)? This isn't me disparaging people looking for a deal. Each person has a budget that he/she has to operate in and I'd rather someone have an option for a firearm that he/she can afford than not. I'm simply pointing out that if you were really looking for long term durability on the order of thousands or tens of thousands of rounds I'm not sure you'd be in the market for this pistol in the first place. My experience with many people that purchase Ruger handguns is they get shot on a more limited basis than some other manufacturers. This is just my experience and I have no doubt there is an exception to that, if not multiple exceptions, on this forum.

Oh I agree but I still believe the aluminum frame was for cost savings and not weight savings for the reasons you state in that the target consumer for the Ruger is not someone expected to shoot the pistol all that much.

It is good to see more choices for those with a hard budget of around $300.

 

[WVsig]

Here's the thing, how many rounds is someone really going to fire who buys a pistol primarily based on price (when for high volume shooters the cost of ammo will easily eclipse the price of the pistol itself)? This isn't me disparaging people looking for a deal. Each person has a budget that he/she has to operate in and I'd rather someone have an option for a firearm that he/she can afford than not. I'm simply pointing out that if you were really looking for long term durability on the order of thousands or tens of thousands of rounds I'm not sure you'd be in the market for this pistol in the first place. My experience with many people that purchase Ruger handguns is they get shot on a more limited basis than some other manufacturers. This is just my experience and I have no doubt there is an exception to that, if not multiple exceptions, on this forum.

Exactly. Even on this forum how many people on here have shot an aluminum framed or railed gun like a Sig P series of CZ P01 to the point of metal failure. Even those who have did it by shooting thousands if not tens of thousands of rounds.

So with this Ruger at todays prices in a 9mm handgun you are talking about over $2,000 worth of ammo out of a $300 gun. The likely hood of that happening is slim and if you can afford to shoot $2,000 worth of ammo out of a single gun then you can afford 2 LOL.

The market segment for $300 guns is the guy who wants something cheap and reliable that he or she will take to the range a few times a year and shoot a few hundred rounds a year. If these things end up being reliable and the price drops a little bit they would make great truck/get home bag guns. At $300 you could put one with a few mags basic holster in all a get home bag in each car.

 

[sigarms228]

TTAG review.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/jeremy-s/gun-review-ruger-security-9/

They liked it a lot for it's price point. A couple nits.

I’m happy enough with the Security-9’s ~5.5-pound pull weight, but the trigger’s a bit creepy and spongy. Again, it’s appropriate for concealed carry and not objectionable, but the break itself is slightly squishy and the reset is audible but not very tactile. Total travel is fairly short, but it feels longer due to that bit of sponginess.

The Security-9’s take-down process is a potential issue for potential buyers. Retract the slide just slightly until that notch in the slide matches the rounded shape of the take-down pin, then pry the take-down pin out with a tool of some sort.

Ruger recommends using a little flat head screwdriver. Those with strong fingernails (or weak minds) could probably do it by hand. In an emergency, I could do it by hand. But there’s something to be said about tool-less disassembly, or a take-down pin that can be accessed on the right side and pushed across with the corner of a magazine base plate. Like, why the Hell not?

 

[WVsig]

TTAG review.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/jeremy-s/gun-review-ruger-security-9/

They liked it a lot for it's price point. A couple nits.

Take down sounds just like the LCP.

 

[Lohman446]

I'm willing to bet the majority of individual purchasers of $300 handguns put less than 300 rounds through the gun in its lifetime. I think you would be alarmed how many loaded handguns there are in America that have not been fired in years.

 

[Siggy-06]

I wonder if this will sell more than the SR9E or S&W's SD9VE...

 

[TruthTellers]

I wonder if this will sell more than the SR9E or S&W's SD9VE...

Compact 9mm's are generally more popular than the full size pistols are, so my opinion is yes.

For all the states and localities that ban mags over 10 rds, if you were stuck with just 10 rounds in a 9mm, would you rather have the big pistol that normally has 17 or 19 rds or the smaller pistol that typically holds 15?

If I was in a ban state, I'd probably see what single stack 9's offer a 9 or 10 round extended magazine and go with that, but that's just me.

 

[shootniron]

This is just another cheap gun that seems to work pretty well...these are not intended to be heirloom quality...they are just cheap tools.

Thumbs up!

 

[lee n. field]

So...is it based off the Kelt Tec hammer design?

Yes.

 

[carguychris]

So...is it based off the Kelt Tec hammer design?

I'm not very familiar with Kel-Tecs, but I've seen a review that mechanically describes the Security-9 as a scaled-up LCP II with an added manual safety, and a comparison of the parts diagrams in the two pistols' owner's manuals seems to back this up. The Ruger website also kinda says so.

The Secure Action used in the LCP® II and Security-9® is derived from the reliable and proven hammer-fired LCP® fire control system. The Secure Action combines the smooth trigger pull of the LCP® with the short, crisp feel and positive reset of a single action.

On that note, like the LCP II, this pistol is fundamentally an old-school single-action in modern guise. It offers no pretense of having double-action anything. At least people won't be arguing about whether it's "true" double-action as with the M&P.

Also, the Security-9 does not have any sort of trigger-actuated firing-pin block; it appears to rely on a trigger-locking manual thumb safety, trigger "dingus," and an inertial firing pin. It appears NOT to be designed for off-safe chamber-loaded carry. (At least is HAS a manual safety, unlike the LCP II.)

Even the operation of the manual safety is old-school, in that it locks the slide shut, and does not operate unless the hammer is cocked. This probably won't upset anyone used to the M1911 or most older foreign pistols, but it may throw off users of newer Ruger, Beretta, and S&W products.

 

[lee n. field]

Personally, I'm shocked at it's $379 MSRP, for a mid-size, striker-fired polymer wondernine. I've seen listings on Gunbroker for $275-$325, which again, astonishes me.

Has anyone had personal experience with the pistol yet? Is it worth buying, or no?

Handled one briefly today. Seemed decent.

The manual safety was very stiff to engage, easy to dis-engage.

Trigger was nothing remarkable, either for bad or good. The slide needs to fully cycle to cock or pre-cock (whichever it is) the internal hammer. Did not get a chance to field strip it.

I already have a Glock 19, so this is probably nothing I'll be interested in getting.

 

[Apple a Day]

Here's the thing, how many rounds is someone really going to fire who buys a pistol primarily based on price (when for high volume shooters the cost of ammo will easily eclipse the price of the pistol itself)? This isn't me disparaging people looking for a deal. Each person has a budget that he/she has to operate in and I'd rather someone have an option for a firearm that he/she can afford than not. I'm simply pointing out that if you were really looking for long term durability on the order of thousands or tens of thousands of rounds I'm not sure you'd be in the market for this pistol in the first place. My experience with many people that purchase Ruger handguns is they get shot on a more limited basis than some other manufacturers. This is just my experience and I have no doubt there is an exception to that, if not multiple exceptions, on this forum.

I still have a Ruger P-95 with uncounted thousands of rounds through it, mostly the really cheap stuff. It's my plinking I Feel Like Blowing Off Some Steam At The Range gun. It has polymer rails. It just refuses to fail or die. Ruger makes sturdy stuff.

 

[wild cat mccane]

I wouldn't touch this because of the Kel Tec trigger.

This isn't a bash of Kel Tec, it's a bash on the threat of a unintended discharge by their design.

 

[carguychris]

I wouldn't touch this because of the Kel Tec trigger.

This isn't a bash of Kel Tec, it's a bash on the threat of a unintended discharge by their design.

FWIW the Security-9 owner's manual has a stern warning on Page 16 against carrying the pistol with a loaded chamber. Formatted as in original:

WARNING - HANDLING

Do not load the pistol until you are ready to use it, and unload it immediately when you have completed shooting. (See “Unloading Warning” on page 17.)

If dropped or struck, the pistol may fire. Keep chamber empty unless actually firing! For maximum safety when carrying the pistol with a loaded magazine in place, the chamber should be empty, and the slide should be closed. If placed into a holster, check it to be sure that the slide is not retracted far enough to chamber a cartridge from the magazine.
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ANY GUN MAY FIRE IF DROPPED

Another interesting little tidbit from Page 11 (again formatted as in original):

Note on the SECURITY-9®: Do not use “+P+” ammunition.

So much for trying to duplicate .357 SIG performance on the cheap...

 

[TailGator]

I understand your concerns, carguychris, but I see that as boilerplate language, written to decrease liability. I know there are concerns about the mechanism in some Ruger products, but their language isn't drastically different from what you read in the manuals from a lot of other manufacturers. The advice against +P+ ammo is going to be almost universal, because, as you know, there is no real upper limit on pressures on ammo so designated, and no one is going to say their pistol has no upper limit on pressure.

I'm not a Ruger fan boy, but the language of the manual doesn't scare me. Folks who know the mechanics better than me have concern about the design, and that worries me more than the printed materials. To be clear, I haven't looked at it closely enough to have an opinion, but I would want to do so before making a purchase.

 

[TunnelRat]

To me my concern would be the lack of a firing pin block. I know Ruger supposedly has other methods but to me it’s a rather standard feature that I expect.


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[Lohman446]

I'm with Tailgator on this one. Absent some record of real-world unintended discharge that disclaimer seems pretty cookie cutter to me

 

[rpseraph]

This is a great gun that you can buy a couple of for a bug-out bag, or cabin or some such philosophy of use. It isn't a competition or duty gun, but it'll be reliable and do its job. I have held one, feels a little cheap compared to other 15-rd poly strikers (sorry, misspoke, not striker), but it is also WAY cheaper, so... makes sense.

 

[carguychris]

I understand your concerns, carguychris, but I see that as boilerplate language, written to decrease liability.

The disclaimer DOES seem like boilerplate, but I think it's pertinent to discuss given the still-simmering debate over loaded-chamber carry of the LCP II.

Although Ruger is likely to remain silent on the topic, I must surmise that some buyers will erroneously assume that the trigger "dingus" and long (by SA standards) trigger pull means that the Security-9 must have additional Glock-style internal safeties, and that off-safe carry therefore must be kosher. Not so! And the manual doesn't directly address the topic.

To me my concern would be the lack of a firing pin block. I know Ruger supposedly has other methods but to me it’s a rather standard feature that I expect.

As do many shooters, many of whom may be surprised to learn that the pistol is fundamentally an old-school cocked-and-locked single-action without this feature!

The advice against +P+ ammo is going to be almost universal, because, as you know, there is no real upper limit on pressures on ammo so designated, and no one is going to say their pistol has no upper limit on pressure.

Yeah, I'm well aware, and I'm usually one of the first TFL regulars to scoff at the frequently parroted (and dangerous) suggestions that +P+ really isn't that bad and that gunmakers only advise against it because they're fraidy cats. Folks, if you want something that delivers 1,400 fps with a 124gr bullet, get a .357 SIG!

The reason I bring it up is that people will inevitably say IT'S A RUGER and that this somehow means that the pistol is safe to fire with anything you can stuff in the chamber. Again, not so!

I have held one, feels a little cheap compared to other 15-rd poly strikers...

Again, it's NOT a striker pistol!

 

[Fishbed77]

I think what hurts the looks of polymer guns is they're always black. If companies would make some white frames and satin stainless slides, people would point and say, "pretty" in the gun store.

For years, black structural polymers were easiest to manufacturer in black (less issues with color consistenacy) and black was most resistant to UV degradation. Nowadays, with UV resisting additives, etc., integrally colored (not "painted") polymer firearm components are pretty common. Glock (and other manufacturers) do runs in multiple colors (I own a grey-framed Glock 17) based on what the market wants.

Many of us would rather have a steel slide riding on steel rails for long term durability concerns.

And yet SIG Sauer P220-series pistols have been running just fine for decades with steel slides on aluminum rails.


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