So Should The Brave IRA Freedom Fighters Hand In THEIR Weapons ?

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Now that the IRA peoples militia have declared a ceasefire on the evil invading forces of the Imperialist British Empire, should they capitulate fully and hand in their weapons cache to the "authorities", or should they retain the right to retain their weapons for personal protection as we ourselves are allowed to ?


Mike H
 
Well, actually we're not, we have the privelege of certain crippled "sporting purposes" firearms.

Their weapons should be a non-issue. Since the "ruling whoever" prohibit them (as retired IRA fighters/civilians) and civilians from owning firearms, whether that is English or Irish preventing them from being free whatever settlement they had was crud.

Battler.
 
handing in of all small arms and explosives would be foolish, whether you're a terrorist or a freedom fighter.
 
One of my favorite quotes goes something like this (not exact):

"Taking a long view of history, we may say that whoever lays down thier arms deserves whatever they get."

Jeff Cooper
 
The position that the IRA is in demands that they keep their weapons . They will never win . It's just a big WACO . They are outnumbered so they can't vote the Brits out . The Brits won't leave because there would be a bloodbath of magnanamous proportions .
The Brits invaded and brought other Brits and Scots in and GAVE them Irish land . They forbade the Irish kids from learning to read and write and killed any that tried to teach them . The generations of Brits and Scots born there consider themselves as Irish as anyone .
It's the same as us and the Native Americans . They were here first but we've been here quite a while and we are more in number than them . They have Reservations . The Irish have The Dole ( Welfare ) . As both have similar instructions . Behave !! It's a no win deal for the IRA. They would rather die on their feet than live on their knees . To the Brits they are terrorists . To each other they are freedom fighters . Who is right ? Who ever wins .

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TOM SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
as long as British bastards rule Ireland either by direct military action or puppet colonial governments. we keep our arms. a giant can be killed by an army of gnats. bleed him to death a drop at a time. LONG LIVE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS.

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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
 
The IRA? Freedom fighters or Terrorists? Well, a terrorist uses rear-echelon acts of violence to terrorise a given population to further his political goals.
I believe the IRA for the most part, is a terrorist organization. Sorry.
Turn in their small arms? There is no way in hell I would turn in my small arms to the English. The IRA would be idiotic to do so.
Now, I just said the IRA are terrorists. But.

The UK government is hard-core socialist and participates in international activities to pressure other countries into socialism as well. A conundrum.
The IRA is a terrorist org, but if I were there, I wouldn't allie with the UK.
It's a bad situation there, much more complex than CNN will let you know.
As all Western countries become more restrictive and Orwellian, they also become more like the UK.
I have to say I veiw the London government as more detramental to freedom than the IRA.
 
Other than the fact that they (nor anyone else) should give up their weapons. . . .

Screw the IRA.

That's right, screw the IRA.

What difference does it make. Have you listened to yourselves? Yeah, the UK govt. is hardcore socialist - who gives a crap if the Irish are waving to a socialist Fuhrer named Smith or a socialist Fuhrer named O'Malley, the IRA doesn't stand for any individual rights/against socialism, they're just anti-British.

Whether they win or lose, the dole will still be there.

BTW - I'm not knocking the Irish here, with or without the British their country will be the same "enlightened socialism" as Britain anyway. Sheep is sheep - nobody in the UK OR Ireland wants individual rights, they argue over finer points of collectivist govt, with a little nationalism thrown in.


Battler.
 
I'm not knowledgeable enough about the struggle to take any positions regarding the IRA.

However, it seems they should relinquish their weapons coincident with the LEO's and British forces relinquishing theirs ...

Obviously, that will never happen.

And, regarding terrorism, it is a disgusting reality. I could never support it, and it is repugnant to every fiber in my body. Having said that, it is clear to me that minorities have found success in their causes by employing such tactics, regrettably. I believe this is simply a reality of human psychology. Who gave a damn about the Palestinians until the PLO began killing innocent people? Not many, I'll wager.

Damn shame. Same in Ireland.

But, peace is ultimately more likely when adversaries are both armed. Otherwise, massacres seem more often the rule, IMHO.

Regards from AZ
 
No - I dont think they should.
The guns and the IRA should go underground and stay hidden - just to let the English know that they are still out there... Ready for the English to overstep there bounds.
Thats what the RKBA is for.
Listen to you guys - dont you remember what RKBA is for? Dont you realize that with the stroke of Janet Reno's pen we are all Terrorists and Felons?
Go read the WHAT I STAND FOR thread again.

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Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings; they did it by killing all those who opposed them.
 
Well--who decommissioned the Vietnamese?
If the fighting is over who cares?
They can sell the guns or keep them or let them rot.
The stupid English just want them to say "uncle"--It is absolutely stupid to make a major issue of it.
Mind you the English are terribly afraid of weapons--God knows why.Maybe they haven't forgotten 1776?
 
The IRA are terrorists! The Radical Unionists are too! Ulster continues to vote to remain in the UK. The IRA won't accept that, and rejects the democratic solution.

Do you want to discuss the NAZI sympathies during WWII?

To both the NRA and the radical Orangemen:

A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES.


PS: Do you know how an Irishman cheats on his wife?

He beats up his mistress.
 
A POX on the NRA you say?
Hmmm - looking at your at your profile I see under interests:
NRA Highpower, IDPA

Spewing hypocracy this early in the morning? Shame on you.

Oh - I know! You dislike the NRA - but not all its programs, since you attend some of them... Nice. Really nice.
 
Turn over weapons based on promises by the British and American governments? They are very foolish if they do!
 
SORRY, typo. I ment IRA.

Several years ago, my best friends kept a high school age girl from Northern Ireland. She was Catholic as are her hosts. We, on the other hand, are German Lutheran. The young lady found this incomprehensable! Not only did her Catholic hosts associate with Protestants, we were best friends and they were Godparents to a Protestant child.

We explained to her that the last thing an American would even consider killing someone over was their religion. Much less a fellow Christian, albeit a member of a differant Christian denomination.

Yes, I know, the British have been cruel sons-of-bitches throughout their empire. As I recall, the United States is the first, and last, country to throw off the British yoke by force of arms. We are now an independent republic, as is the Rebuplic of Ireland. We, however, are not throwing bombs and killing inocent women and children in Canada like the IRA does in Ulster. THE IRA ARE TERRORISTS, plain & simple. They deserve much worse than they have received!

The Right to Keep & Bear Arms is a right of free men, not of terrorists! The Brits' mistake is disarming free men and allowing vermin like the IRA to prey upon them!

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Fred J. Drumheller
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I don't know if this has changed since the end of the Cold War, but the IRA has long professed to be a Marxist/Leninist revolutionary party. They have trained w/ Libyans and Algerians to hone their terror skills. I am a Catholic, (a tiny minority here in Alabama) and I say to hell with them, as long as they embrace the Stalinist/Socialist world view. I can't abide what the Brits did in Ireland and continue to do in their own country, but their enemy is still not my friend. What the Northern Irish need now are people of the stature and moral principle of our Founding Fathers, not Che Gueverra.
 
Actually, George, I think you hit it right on the head. This is exactly why the RKBA has existed throughout history (check out 'That Every Many Be Armed' - this debate has been going on at least since Socrates, Aristotle and Plato).

And yes, the IRA are terrorists. But, if the English had won in the 18th century, I would expect we'd have been taught that Jefferson, Paine, Franklin et al were terrorists as well. I'll bet there were a lot of innocent lives lost in our War for Independence.

One other point. Unless you have a good, and respected constitution, 'democracy' can simply become a tyranny of the majority. I don't believe that democracy is always and necessarily a fair system. Without a constitution (etc.), many areas of the U.S. would still hold African Americans as slaves. Ireland is not a democratic republic, and I certainly would not want to live under the yoke of the British government. Any group so determined to deprive me of arms is a group I could not trust for a heartbeat ... literally.

Regards from AZ
 
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