So, Remington 700's are so great...
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Hey Gewehr98: Why would you want an old clunker of a 1903A4 when you can have a brand new Remington 700 PSS? Why, I'll be happy to buy you a brand new Remington and trade ya! 
More seriously, congratulations on getting a collectible old sniper rifle. They're very hard to come by nowadays and folks are asking for a premium. It's a keeper.
More seriously, congratulations on getting a collectible old sniper rifle. They're very hard to come by nowadays and folks are asking for a premium. It's a keeper.
Guess I'm a glutton for abuse ... I have been cautioned to "play nice," so the maid's out - but, the butler is waxing the Beemer.
Out of the 5+ Rem bolts (either M7s or 700s) I've owned or own, every one was consistantly capable of well under 1" groups at 100 yds - usually with factory, but reloads always did the trick if not. I end up reloading anyway (for accuracy & economics) so no big deal.
Yup, I had to "fix 'em" by doing a glass bed/free-float, adjust the trigger - even put a scope on a couple - it's an enhancement kinda thing. Couldn't stand the sub-MOA out-of-the-box rifles - just had to play with 'em.
Done the same with maybe another 20+ for buds .... every one could be made to shoot MOA or much better & their factory triggers (& I'm certainly no gunsmith) dial right in to a nice, crisp 2+ lbs.
Got one in .22-250 that you can't even find the throat's end on any more (perhaps 10,000 rounds through it) & still shoots .25" groups albeit it'll throw that nagging flier once in a while. Bums me out to no end trying to work up an accurate load for that one.
All who mentioned "safety between the ears" couldn't have been more right on the money. (I still, for the life of me, don't get the grip safety on a 1911 - I guess a miltary requirement that never went away ... seems the BHP/side-wipe safety works quite well. Could be the 1911s are another POS-safety design - had to have two 'cause the first one sucked?)
Any massed-produced anything will toss a lemon once in a while - Fords, Chevies, Remington, Rugers .... all of 'em. Still, they each have their "brand loyalty" folk.
Remington puts out a pretty decent rifle for a good price.
At least Rem's CEO didn't sell out the shooting fraternity like Mr Ruger did ....
Out of the 5+ Rem bolts (either M7s or 700s) I've owned or own, every one was consistantly capable of well under 1" groups at 100 yds - usually with factory, but reloads always did the trick if not. I end up reloading anyway (for accuracy & economics) so no big deal.
Yup, I had to "fix 'em" by doing a glass bed/free-float, adjust the trigger - even put a scope on a couple
- it's an enhancement kinda thing. Couldn't stand the sub-MOA out-of-the-box rifles - just had to play with 'em.Done the same with maybe another 20+ for buds .... every one could be made to shoot MOA or much better & their factory triggers (& I'm certainly no gunsmith) dial right in to a nice, crisp 2+ lbs.
Got one in .22-250 that you can't even find the throat's end on any more (perhaps 10,000 rounds through it) & still shoots .25" groups albeit it'll throw that nagging flier once in a while. Bums me out to no end trying to work up an accurate load for that one.
All who mentioned "safety between the ears" couldn't have been more right on the money. (I still, for the life of me, don't get the grip safety on a 1911 - I guess a miltary requirement that never went away ... seems the BHP/side-wipe safety works quite well. Could be the 1911s are another POS-safety design - had to have two 'cause the first one sucked?)
Any massed-produced anything will toss a lemon once in a while - Fords, Chevies, Remington, Rugers .... all of 'em. Still, they each have their "brand loyalty" folk.
Remington puts out a pretty decent rifle for a good price.
At least Rem's CEO didn't sell out the shooting fraternity like Mr Ruger did ....
700PSS Shooter
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Remingtons are so good...
Klaatu:
My 700PSS has done 40 shots in less that 40 minutes in the winter. From ice cold to hot barrel while still keeping to 1 inch. Unfortunately, my LTR in .223 was very ammo sensitive. Some went sub-MOA, some over 2".
I do not know about the rest of you, but Remingtons are SOOO good that I use a Remington 700 ..30-06 for deer since it wakes me up, makes coffee, cooks breakfast, puts logs on the fire, and if I do not see a deer, buys a round of steaks. And then shoots .25" groups. Pretty good with a .30 caliber bullet. I even had it loan me money. Now THAT is a fine rifle. 
Seriously, 4 700's and all of them are good, and some are great, and never a problem with the safety, even with the older boltlock system. I think the point about the millions of rifles out there is valid in that they are bound to statistically be a few "failures." Remember safe gun handling...!
<<Bogie: It can be DARN EASY to make a rifle go off with the safety on. As far as I know, there aren't any rifles out there that block the firing pins as part of the safety (wait a minute - I think my Winchester 94AE does... make that BOLT rifles...). >>
Most Mausers and Mauser designs physically lock the cocking piece. Or did you mean physically placing a block in front of the pin which even the Win 94 and new Marlins do not do. They block the hammer. The pin can still move forward.
Klaatu:
My 700PSS has done 40 shots in less that 40 minutes in the winter. From ice cold to hot barrel while still keeping to 1 inch. Unfortunately, my LTR in .223 was very ammo sensitive. Some went sub-MOA, some over 2".
I do not know about the rest of you, but Remingtons are SOOO good that I use a Remington 700 ..30-06 for deer since it wakes me up, makes coffee, cooks breakfast, puts logs on the fire, and if I do not see a deer, buys a round of steaks. And then shoots .25" groups. Pretty good with a .30 caliber bullet. I even had it loan me money. Now THAT is a fine rifle.
Seriously, 4 700's and all of them are good, and some are great, and never a problem with the safety, even with the older boltlock system. I think the point about the millions of rifles out there is valid in that they are bound to statistically be a few "failures." Remember safe gun handling...!
<<Bogie: It can be DARN EASY to make a rifle go off with the safety on. As far as I know, there aren't any rifles out there that block the firing pins as part of the safety (wait a minute - I think my Winchester 94AE does... make that BOLT rifles...). >>
Most Mausers and Mauser designs physically lock the cocking piece. Or did you mean physically placing a block in front of the pin which even the Win 94 and new Marlins do not do. They block the hammer. The pin can still move forward.
I've got three Rem700's and while they shoot fine now, all their triggers came with a lawyer and a contract. I tore up the contract, fired the lawyer and ended up with three nice 2.5 lb triggers. I've seen the Jewell trigger and if I felt I needed to go after-market, the Jewell trigger is the way I'd go. But as long as the Rem trigger is intact, it can be adjusted to be real sweet for most applications. Other than that, the muzzle on one barrel needed to be recrowned but that was probably my fault. I've never had a safety related problem.
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TN Mad Dog
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1. I have a couple of guns that have no mechanical safety and I haven't had any prolems with them.
2. Safetys don't make rifles any more accurate.
3. No manufacturer is perfect.
4. Don't point your gun at people unless you intend to shoot them.
2. Safetys don't make rifles any more accurate.
3. No manufacturer is perfect.
4. Don't point your gun at people unless you intend to shoot them.
Mike Irwin
Staff
I've got a 700 and a 722.
I've tried repeatedly to get the safety to malfunction.
Never been able to do it.
I've tried repeatedly to get the safety to malfunction.
Never been able to do it.
Byron Quick
Staff In Memoriam
I've got a Remington 700 PSS in .300 Win Mag. Best 100 yd. 10 shot group to date is .5 inch from side to side of the hole...not center to center. That's with Black Hills 190 gr. moly coat ammo and shooting off sandbags from the bench. And that's out of the box with the lawyer trigger. My worst group is less than an inch except for a couple of fliers that were the result of poor trigger control on my part.
When I am getting poor groups with ANY rifle the first thing I check out is me. The second is the ammo. Only after I have affirmed with another rifle that a)I'm shooting at my usual level and b) the ammunition I'm using is good...do I start monkeying around with the rifle.
Billy,
How old are you? From reading several of your posts and noting your style and the level of knowledge you display about several different topics, I'm beginning to believe you are only thirteen or fourteen years old.
When I am getting poor groups with ANY rifle the first thing I check out is me. The second is the ammo. Only after I have affirmed with another rifle that a)I'm shooting at my usual level and b) the ammunition I'm using is good...do I start monkeying around with the rifle.
Billy,
How old are you? From reading several of your posts and noting your style and the level of knowledge you display about several different topics, I'm beginning to believe you are only thirteen or fourteen years old.
I have owned 3 remingtons and a few other brands and found them to be a quality rifle. I sold them for other reasons but they all shot MOA when I did my part. For the money I think savage is a better deal but remington puts out a good product in my experience. I like winchester also but have no experience with ruger rifles.
Billy has left the Building...Oh geez, I was getting a good laugh and Rem 700 owners were admitting to fooling around with Maids and well we wont go there.
What are we t do with you 700 PSS owner's
I just have a lowly Savage 110FP that so what....I messed up by .50 at 200....do you all think the target is gonna bitch
I wonder if you 700 guys clean your own weapons or if the butler does it while you are in the pool with the Maid......or that lady SGT on the Tac Squad.....just given ya all S**t....
I was gonna buy a Remington Composite and still might
Karsten
What are we t do with you 700 PSS owner's
I just have a lowly Savage 110FP that so what....I messed up by .50 at 200....do you all think the target is gonna bitch I wonder if you 700 guys clean your own weapons or if the butler does it while you are in the pool with the Maid......or that lady SGT on the Tac Squad.....just given ya all S**t....
I was gonna buy a Remington Composite and still might
Karsten
700PSS Shooter
New member
looking good...
Karsten:
No maid, no Beemer. My PSS rifle cleans itself and looks damn good doing it! I just asked it to wax the 4x4.
Karsten:
No maid, no Beemer.
My PSS rifle cleans itself and looks damn good doing it! I just asked it to wax the 4x4. Just more blarney...
I've spent some time reading all the posts and I especially like Mr. Paul B.'s statement. I don't think that we should settle down in our "camps" and fire off memos at each other, nor do I think we should look around for "Billy" to tar and feather. Thanks to his question I have learned a few new things:
1) There is some kind of rivalry between Savage and Remington fans.
2) There is (was?) a problem with Remington 700 safeties.
These are good things to know. I am going to look into the first one because I have never heard about it. As for the second thing: I advise many people on firearms purchases and I am now much better informed.
Now for a sharing moment...I thought it was ironic that this month's American Gunsmithing had an article in it about the auxiliary bolt stop on the Remington 700. They explained how and why you can modify a 700 short action to elliminate rearward over-travel of the bolt in rifles chambered for .223 or .17 Rem. I will save y'all more mumbling drivel, but I thought that, given the reputation that Remington has, they would fix something like that in the factory. But that's just me, and there's probably a reason they didn't call me before starting production.
One last thing: We are all (or most of us are) fans of one thing or another. Whether it's because Red Rider carried one, or it was the first gun we have ever picked up, we have our favorites (CZs are my favorite). However, favorites aren't something to fight about (I even have problems keeping my mouth shut around Glock lovers).
Thus endeth the sermon.
I've spent some time reading all the posts and I especially like Mr. Paul B.'s statement. I don't think that we should settle down in our "camps" and fire off memos at each other, nor do I think we should look around for "Billy" to tar and feather. Thanks to his question I have learned a few new things:
1) There is some kind of rivalry between Savage and Remington fans.
2) There is (was?) a problem with Remington 700 safeties.
These are good things to know. I am going to look into the first one because I have never heard about it. As for the second thing: I advise many people on firearms purchases and I am now much better informed.
Now for a sharing moment...I thought it was ironic that this month's American Gunsmithing had an article in it about the auxiliary bolt stop on the Remington 700. They explained how and why you can modify a 700 short action to elliminate rearward over-travel of the bolt in rifles chambered for .223 or .17 Rem. I will save y'all more mumbling drivel, but I thought that, given the reputation that Remington has, they would fix something like that in the factory. But that's just me, and there's probably a reason they didn't call me before starting production.
One last thing: We are all (or most of us are) fans of one thing or another. Whether it's because Red Rider carried one, or it was the first gun we have ever picked up, we have our favorites (CZs are my favorite). However, favorites aren't something to fight about (I even have problems keeping my mouth shut around Glock lovers).
Thus endeth the sermon.
Remington Model 700
I'm in agreement with most all posting here that Remington makes one hell of a fine rifle. I have other makes like Sako and Browning. My Father left me a Remington 700 in 7mag the guns barrel was shot out from 20 years of sheep hunting. It now sports a new stainless barrel and is the gun I like to take on special hunts.
I'm in agreement with most all posting here that Remington makes one hell of a fine rifle. I have other makes like Sako and Browning. My Father left me a Remington 700 in 7mag the guns barrel was shot out from 20 years of sheep hunting. It now sports a new stainless barrel and is the gun I like to take on special hunts.
Wild Romanian
Moderator
So, Remington 700's are so great
Let's take a hard look at the pro's and con's of the Remington 700.
1. Great accuracy for a production rifle.
2. Exceptional wood in the BDL series.
3. A trigger that is easily adjusted for a lighter pull.
4. Affordable price for the average man.
5. Widely available
Now let us look at the down side of the Remington 700.
1. A poorly designed extractor that has gone through at least 3 design changes and one that has proven to be less than durable or reliable. It is not easily replaced and often must be returned to the factory for repair or replacement.
2. Not a reliable feeder. I have seen many Remingtons fail to feed or flip live rounds out of the magazine in rapid fire on the National match cources that I have shot in.
3. A dangerous two position safety that can and will go off if the trigger is set to light. The three postion safety for the Remington 700 is long overdue. It would enable the user to safely unload his weapon.
4. An enclosed box type trigger that proved to be unreliable under harsh conditions both in the hunting field and the rigors of combat in Vietnam. Totally inferior to the rugged Mauser or Winchester Model 70 open face type of trigger that allows dirt to fall away from the mechanism rather than become trapped inside it. I have had Remington triggers also freeze up from moisture that had frozen up inside them.
5. Not a controlled feed weapon that often results in double feed jam ups if the bolt is short stroked. This does not happen in controlled feed weapons like the Mauser or controlled feed Winchesters.
IN CONCULUSION: The Remington 700 will remain a very popular weapon with the weekend sand bag crowd but for the rifleman who depends on his weapon to work under harsh conditions and feed reliablely, the smart hunter does not venture out into the far corners of the 3rd world countries with a Remington 700 in hand. No gentlemen he takes a Mauser or close copy of one. They have a proven track record of reliablity when the chips are down. History has proved this to be so. W.R.
Let's take a hard look at the pro's and con's of the Remington 700.
1. Great accuracy for a production rifle.
2. Exceptional wood in the BDL series.
3. A trigger that is easily adjusted for a lighter pull.
4. Affordable price for the average man.
5. Widely available
Now let us look at the down side of the Remington 700.
1. A poorly designed extractor that has gone through at least 3 design changes and one that has proven to be less than durable or reliable. It is not easily replaced and often must be returned to the factory for repair or replacement.
2. Not a reliable feeder. I have seen many Remingtons fail to feed or flip live rounds out of the magazine in rapid fire on the National match cources that I have shot in.
3. A dangerous two position safety that can and will go off if the trigger is set to light. The three postion safety for the Remington 700 is long overdue. It would enable the user to safely unload his weapon.
4. An enclosed box type trigger that proved to be unreliable under harsh conditions both in the hunting field and the rigors of combat in Vietnam. Totally inferior to the rugged Mauser or Winchester Model 70 open face type of trigger that allows dirt to fall away from the mechanism rather than become trapped inside it. I have had Remington triggers also freeze up from moisture that had frozen up inside them.
5. Not a controlled feed weapon that often results in double feed jam ups if the bolt is short stroked. This does not happen in controlled feed weapons like the Mauser or controlled feed Winchesters.
IN CONCULUSION: The Remington 700 will remain a very popular weapon with the weekend sand bag crowd but for the rifleman who depends on his weapon to work under harsh conditions and feed reliablely, the smart hunter does not venture out into the far corners of the 3rd world countries with a Remington 700 in hand. No gentlemen he takes a Mauser or close copy of one. They have a proven track record of reliablity when the chips are down. History has proved this to be so. W.R.
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I own a Rem. Mohawk 600 and a Rem. M700. Both have very nice adjustable triggers. The 600 is the better shooter but both are very good shooters- if I do my part. If you mess with the trigger adjustments, you can make either rifle go bang when you don't want it to. However, if you properly adjust the trigger, it only goes bang when you want it to. Bottom line is that if you don't know what you're doing, then have the trigger adjusted by a competent gunsmith.
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
Wild Romanian, your "downsides"--while having some validity--are mostly artificial.
Extractor? Given how many 700s have been made, I really doubt the problem is as bad as you make it sound. Do you have any numbers as to percentages?
Feeding troubles? Dunno, but the three 700s I've had have not been a problem.
As near as I can tell, this problem stems from people messing with stuff where they don't know what they're doing. I go along with Centre 1 on this. FWIW, I was raosed tp mever trust any safety--so I keep the bolt handle up until I'm ready to shoot, aside from safe pointing.
Harsh conditions of hunting? Duh? Sorry, but I've not had that problem during the past 60 years. Granted, combat for grunts is a different deal, but grunts don't generally use bolt-action rifles, last I heard. SFAIK, snipers don't go dragging their rifles through grunge, and clean them regularly.
The controlled feed thing is generally over-rated, IMO. I have a Weatherby which in 30 years has never given me any feeding problem. I grant you I don't hold the rifle upside down when I reload.
Conclusions? I guess you get what you pay for, for one thing. And differences of opinions give us threads like this which have gone on just way too long...
, Art
Extractor? Given how many 700s have been made, I really doubt the problem is as bad as you make it sound. Do you have any numbers as to percentages?
Feeding troubles? Dunno, but the three 700s I've had have not been a problem.
As near as I can tell, this problem stems from people messing with stuff where they don't know what they're doing. I go along with Centre 1 on this. FWIW, I was raosed tp mever trust any safety--so I keep the bolt handle up until I'm ready to shoot, aside from safe pointing.
Harsh conditions of hunting? Duh? Sorry, but I've not had that problem during the past 60 years. Granted, combat for grunts is a different deal, but grunts don't generally use bolt-action rifles, last I heard. SFAIK, snipers don't go dragging their rifles through grunge, and clean them regularly.
The controlled feed thing is generally over-rated, IMO. I have a Weatherby which in 30 years has never given me any feeding problem. I grant you I don't hold the rifle upside down when I reload.
Conclusions? I guess you get what you pay for, for one thing. And differences of opinions give us threads like this which have gone on just way too long...
, Art