So, Remington 700's are so great...

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Billy Jacobs

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Why do they build such a lousy safety then? I realize that if you shoot someone with the safety on, you are an idiot and it is your fault, not the gun's. But, why do some of you talk about how great the 700 is and how all other guns are inferior. At least cheaper guns have safeties that work. I would not think it is that hard to build a safety, but apparently the geniuses at Remington can not figure it out! So, Remington 700's are so great why?
 
I have a Remington 700 for several years now and have never had a problem with the safety. I have sold several Remington 700's and have never had any of them come back with a safety problem.
Remember though, a safety is a mechanical device and can never take the place of safe firearm handling! Savage, Winchester, Ruger, etc..., are not inferior. They are all different and everyone has a preference. Do a little more research before you bad mouth the Remington company.
 
I have many axes to grind

I have an entire stack of axes waiting to be ground.
If someone is going to talk down other rifles (which I think is stupid and pointless in the first place) I think it is funny to discover that what they think is great, has flaws too.

BJ
 
Must be a Savage owner.

"Lighten up, Francis"
-Sgt. Hulka

:)

***DISCLAIMER: I like Savage rifles, they just require more tweaking than Remington 700s to be perfect.***
 
I had---repeat HAD---3 Remington 700's and all 3 were P'sOS. I tried everything with each of them and all I could get was 3' to 4' group out of any of them. My buddy just bought an Alaskan Wilderness Rifle(this is a $1000 custom shop rifle) in .300 Ultra this rifle will not get more than a 5' group with any load--he also has a custom trigger on it --set at 2 lbs. The safety was fine on all 4 rifles. The only thing Reminton is selling is the name. You'll save yourself a lot of grief and money by buying anything other than a POS Remington. You'll NEVER see me own another one and couldn't even pay me to own one----even with all the money I've lost on those junk rifles. If you get a good Remington---I would consider that the lemon--because as a rule their rifles are pathetic. Most accurate out of the box---my A--.


And yes--I do have and axe to grind with all the money I've lost on that garbage.


I currently own 2 Weatherby's(Excellent Shooters BTW) and have Browning A-Bolt on lay-a-way. The poor accuracy of Remingtons is definitely the gun and not the shooter.
 
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I've had nothing but luck with Remington rifles. My first, a 1975 or '76 BDL sporter in 30-06 gives me nickel size groups. My .223 Varminter shoots sub MOA (bought it several years ago). My newest, a 700 LTR, is waiting in line to be shot.

The current crop may be lemons. Been told that the 300 Ultra in left hand were all chambered non concentric to the bore.
 
Why all of the hostility.

My two Remington 700's work great. No safety problems. They both shoot great and perform everytime I need them to. What is the point of this thread anyway? :confused:
 
I would dare say he doesn't own any of the above mentioned Rifles.
I say he is a Troll who read something and took it to heart. The mother shooting the son deal on the other side of the horse trailer and blamed it on the safety.

Oh, by the way......I own a Savage 110FP and I don't dis you 700 owners :rolleyes:

Karsten

I will tell ya, 700 owners must all driver Bemmer's , and drink great champagyne and do their maids on the side.......oh , Whoops Dragon prefectly speaking was on...
:p
 
The point of this thread...

I could care less about rifle brands... but some of these Remington people rant and rave about how there's are best and all others are garbage. So, I think it is funny that the wonderful Remington has a lousy safety. I have no problem with Remington but some of the loud mouths on here crack me up.

BJ
 
Funny, my freshly purchased 700 VS SF shot 3/4" groups before I began modifying. I have a box stock BDL .243 that shoots MOA. I must be lucky with getting lemons.
 
Hmmm ... I've got a few melons (oops! Rems) & a couple Wins. They all shoot quite well & the safeties all work.

Perhaps it isn't the rifles that are at fault .... hmmm?

Oh well, off to do the maid .....
 
I think that the main reason that people like Remingtons so much is that they show such consistancy at providing high accuracy in an out-of-the-box, relatively inexpensive rifle. My 700 BDL gave me an out of the box first group of .73" at 100 yds! Not bad for .300 Win Mag. What Remington 700's (their flagship rifle) have going for them is tremendous strength of action, easily-adjustable triggers (Current run Rugers are NOT adjustable), moderate price, and a very wide variety of sizes, composition, weights, stocks and other configurations. Remington was the first large production company to offer factory aluminum bedding in kevlar stocks, installed. They're the first to create an electronic ignition system trigger. They're the first major rifle company that I know of to offer their lightweight sporter in a titanium action for reduced weight with increased strength.

By offering so many choices to the shooter, there's an extremely good chance that Ruger is making a rifle that will specifically meet the needs of the individual shooter. Thus, when it actually shoots well to boot, you get an enthusiastic proponent of their rifles. Hatcher said "Only accurate rifles are interesting." Well, many people who read in the gun rags about $2000 Sakos and $3000 McMillans (Both of which are superb rifles, BTW) are tickled to death to find out that their $600 Remington is "interesting."

If they didn't shoot well, there wouldn't be much of a following.

Someday, Remington will take stock and reconsider their safety, and hopefully their extractor, too. But it's hard to make yourself mess with success. They've got 2 or 3 generations now who are raving about the 700's action; what's their impetous to change, now? ;)

Best regards,
L.P.
 
Remingtons have a lousy safety?

When did my safety become lousy? Both of my rifles safeties have never failed. I find it interesting that the point of this thread is how Remington owners talk trash about other guns when their guns are not that great and then the poster of this thread starts talking trash about Remington rifles when it appears the poster has no experience with Remington rifles. Interesting. Why don't we all stop talking trash if we want the trash talking to stop. I like my rifles and they work for me. I leave it at that.

Remington owners don't drink champaigne, drive expensive cars, or do their maids. They live in shacks, walk, and can't afford a date because they spend all of their money on their guns. I don't drive a beemer cause I have a beemers worth invested in my firearms! :cool:
 
FWIW, I'm a "Savage" person...

I don't trust their safeties either.

It can be DARN EASY to make a rifle go off with the safety on. As far as I know, there aren't any rifles out there that block the firing pins as part of the safety (wait a minute - I think my Winchester 94AE does... make that BOLT rifles...).

Don't load it until you're willing to shoot something. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Unload it when you're not gonna shoot something.

What's so hard about that?
 
Well, where there is smoke, there must be fire. First off, Remington did have problems with the safeties on the 600,660, and XP-100 series. That is fact, not fiction. In the late 1970's early 1980's, Remington ran an ad concerning their safeties.
While living in Nevada, a friend brought me a rifle to check out. You guessed it, a Remington Model 700. Supposedly it had gone off when the safety was removed. A woman had lost one of heg legs when the .270 caliber bullet hit her knee. Using primed cases, I was able to get the rifle to fire when the safety was removed. I showed him how it was done. He said Remington settled out of court.
Concerning remington's accuracy. I had one of the first Remington 700's to come out in the .300 Win. Mag. It was a tackholer. I'd never had a rifle that shot so well. A friend talked me out of it.
In 1979, when my step son graduated from high school, I bought him a Rem. 700 ADL in 30-06. Not quite as accurate as the .300 was, but more than good enough. In 1981, I bould a BDL for myself, also a 30-06. (Supremely good price, as the store was no longer going to sell firearms, and it was heavily discounted. Add my wifes employee discount of 15 percent on top of that, well you get the picture.):D Anyway, it was not as accurate as the ADL. Best I could get was 2.5 inches. Restocked and glass bedded it, gave it a trigger job, still only get 1.5 inches.
Abiut two months ago, I got a smokin' deal on a 700 Classic in 30-06. $ and 5 inch groups is all it will do. A real piece of garbage. I really believe that the "Big R" is riding on it's reputation, and is just cranking out some darn sloppy work.
I've checked out the safeties on all those rifles, with the exception of the .300 as it's long gone.
My opinion on the safety question? With all the rofles remington has put out on the 721,722, 700, actions, a few bad safeties have probably gotten out.
To test yours, cock the rifle and put the safety on. Pull the trigger and then release the safety. Should work OK. Do it again, but before you pull the trigger, move the safety slightly (very slightly) to the off position, then pull the trigger. Release the safety to the on position. If the firing pin falls, you have a defective safety.
That's how I got that .270 to fire, when my friend asked me to test it. It is not too hard to have that safety move foreward a bit when rubbung against clothing, brush, whatever. Many inexperienced people will look at the safety, and pull the trigger to really see if it is on safe. (I know it's dumb, but they do. I've seen it too many times.)
I don't care what brand of forearm it is, a safety is a mechanical device, and as such, is subject to failure.
I rest my case.
Paul B.
 
a few pertinant sayings

"The safety is between the ears."
and
"It's the indian, not the arrow."

these apply to all things, especially guns!
 
Safety between one's ears...

Good point, freeride!

My Remington 700PSS in .308 has been a total surprise in the accuracy department, rewarding me with several witnessed 1/4 MOA groups with my 168gr Sierra MatchKing handloads, from the prone with bipod! I'll even wager that there are more than a couple other 700PSS and 700VS owners who can vouch for the accuracy of their guns, too. I'm sure the occasional lemon will leave the factory, regardless of manufacturer. In the meantime, I'm counting my blessings. ;)

As for the "problem" with the 700's safety, I've tried 9 ways to Sunday to get the gun to click via trigger/safety manipulation as listed above, and it's not cooperated by clicking yet. Should I keep trying?

Regardless, I don't rely on any gun's safety, save for perhaps my carry Kahr K-9 (Which has none). I have a WWII 1903A4 Remington, and if you know anything about that gun, the safety was rendered inoperative on that model by the position of the scope over the bolt. Yet it was ok to be issued to the GI sniper, go figure. Could you imagine the product liability lawyers and the field day they'd have if this rifle was issued or marketed today? :rolleyes:
 
I have heard things about the .600 safety not functioning properly on many of them but mine works fine..I must have been lucky..As was stated earlier..NOBODY should ever rely on the safety of ANY firearm for ANY reason.:eek:
 
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