So happy living in Idaho!

I've had some wonderful visits to Idaho.
We visited a friend of my former spouse in Salmon...suddenly she was on the phone talking to an old friend of hers...and within an hour I was drinking coffee at Elmer Kieth's place. He was a gracious host,

There is an amazing western saloon in Smelterville I discovered while riding the old Triumph in th rain...

Mary's Steakhouse in Darby...Motorcycling,or paddling,the river canyons.

From entering the Targee Natinal Forest out of Jackson,Wyo,to being out in a small aluminum rental boat on Priest Lake,to the beautiful pastoral land around Pocatello,

Yeah,Idaho.

And,I've lived in Colorado since 1966. It has gone to doo-doo.

Find some recent vid to see what the State Capitol has become,under our Governor Polis.

I don't mean to make yo sad,enjoy all you can,while you can.

Word is,there is going to be an exodus from Oregon and Washington to Idaho.
 
Word is,there is going to be an exodus from Oregon and Washington to Idaho.
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I live in the Panhandle, and that's been happening for years now. But we've been getting more Californians for the last 20 years or so, and I don't expect that to stop either.

Southern Idaho is more in tune with Utah and they have a conservative tilt just because of that, up here we're considered the rednecks of the state. I'm sure many here at TFL saw the media photos of the recent "protests" in Coeur D'Alene back in June, where there were more gun toting counter protesters than those protesting. It's a unique place. Open carry is very popular here.
 
I'm sure many here at TFL saw the media photos of the recent "protests" in Coeur D'Alene back in June, where there were more gun toting counter protesters than those protesting.
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I did see that and I was extremely proud of those people. Now if more would follow suit the dregs of society might try to contain their evil a bit.
 
I took a year of college in Idaho and I really wish I could move back. I made a lot of good friends there. I liked the land and the people. It's a great place to be..

Tony
 
If not mistaken, in states where a permit is used for the purpose of a gun purchase, the background check for the permit was more intensive than in other states and in some cases might prevent them from obtaining a license to carry. While in the states that do not perform the extensive check, they might have received a permit.
That is how the waiver is obtained.
And in Idaho, from what I have been told, they do not perform a background check. You still have to fill out the 4473 form, but they do a check on your license to make sure it is still valid.
 
. . . in Idaho, from what I have been told, they do not perform a background check.
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I was unaware the BC was optional, and so looked around...

In its 1997 decision in the case, the Supreme Court ruled that the provision of the Brady
Act that compelled state and local law enforcement officials to perform the background
checks was unconstitutional on 10th amendment grounds. The Court determined that this
provision violated both the concept of federalism and that of the unitary executive.

On the other hand, the Giffords center states: Idaho is not a point of contact state for NICS.
Idaho has no law requiring firearms dealers to initiate a background check prior
to transferring a firearm. In Idaho, all firearms transfers by licensed dealers are
processed directly through the FBI, which enforces the federal purchaser prohibitions ....[NICS]

So somebody `splain the apparent dichotomy here: BC or No BC req'd for FFL transfers ?
Or is it that the STATE doesn't have to do it, but the buyer is still processed through NICS ?

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So somebody `splain the apparent dichotomy here: BC or No BC req'd for FFL transfers ?
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My take on this is that there are states, such as Idaho and Kentucky, that do not require anything to transfer a gun. But, firearm dealers are regulated by federal regulations, and therefore they must adhere to federal regulations, so they have to run the BC.

In KY, the state police run NICS BC on CCDW holders monthly. Therefore, my CCDW license allows me to bypass an additional BC when I go to a gunstore and I can walk out with a gun just by filling out the paperwork.
 
mehavey said:
I was unaware the BC was optional, and so looked around...

In its 1997 decision in the case, the Supreme Court ruled that the provision of the Brady
Act that compelled state and local law enforcement officials to perform the background
checks was unconstitutional on 10th amendment grounds. The Court determined that
this provision violated both the concept of federalism and that of the unitary executive.

On the other hand, the Giffords center states: Idaho is not a point of contact state for NICS.
Idaho has no law requiring firearms dealers to initiate a background check prior
to transferring a firearm. In Idaho, all firearms transfers by licensed dealers are
processed directly through the FBI, which enforces the federal purchaser prohibitions ....[NICS]

So somebody `splain the apparent dichotomy here: BC or No BC req'd for FFL transfers ?
Or is it that the STATE doesn't have to do it, but the buyer is still processed through NICS ?
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Your conclusion is correct.

If you read the two items you cited, what they're saying is that the original Brady law provision requiring the states to perform a background check pursuant to a federal requirement was unconstitutional. Thus, if the federal government wants all buyers of a handgun to undergo a background check, then it is the responsibility of the federal government to perform the background check. Hence ... FBI and NICS.

Some states are willing (and prefer) to handle the background checks themselves and, if their background check procedure satisfies federal requirements, their check means that the FFL doesn't have to call NICS. I live in such a state. But my carry permit doesn't give me a pass -- my FFL has to call the State Police to get a clearance number for each and every transfer.

If the information from Giffords is correct, Idaho still requires the FFL to call NICS directly. That's not a dichotomy. The SCOTUS ruling was not that requiring a background check is unconstitutional. The ruling was that the feds could not require the states to do the checks for them. Somebody still has to run a background check, and that check has to meet federal requirements.
 
My wife wants to head to Idaho when we retire, I want to head back to my home state of Missouri or back to Indiana maybe Tennessee where I spent a good portion of my life.
I am worried that Idaho will fall like Colorado did within the next decade. It was only 20 years ago that Colorado was a wonderful, blood red state and has since turned into excrement.
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And you want to go to MO???? yuk May have been good 3 mo ago but that is all gone IMHO.
 
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/permanent-brady-permit-chart

Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(3), exempt the holder from the federal background check requirement at the point of sale.


The FBI determines whether a state's permitting process exempts purchasers from background checks, based on the statutory criteria set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(3) and 27 C.F.R. § 478.102(d).

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-922.html

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.102
 
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My wife wants to head to Idaho when we retire, I want to head back to my home state of Missouri or back to Indiana maybe Tennessee where I spent a good portion of my life.
I am worried that Idaho will fall like Colorado did within the next decade. It was only 20 years ago that Colorado was a wonderful, blood red state and has since turned into excrement.
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And you want to go to MO???? yuk May have been good 3 mo ago but that is all gone IMHO.
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Any state can potentially become a high tax and overregulated toilet. In general, taxes and laws stick around forever.
 
To the OP: When I lived there, we had bumper stickers that said, "Visit Idaho, the tick fever state". Not that we wanted to discourage visitors, but advertising for people to move there was generally frowned upon. That said, I can't think of a more welcoming place for a new family. And we moved a lot.
 
sparkyv said:
Sadly, TX is more restrictive. No CC or open carry (handguns) without permit, and because of the influx of leftist non-Texans due to our booming economy (well at least it had been booming before the Wuhan) we're becoming bluer every day.
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I guess that may be because I just always kind of assumed that Texas would’ve not overly long since become a constitutional carry state but I figured they would’ve been one of the very first ones to be that.

But at least Texas is one of the few that I know of that allows anybody to carry a loaded pistol concealed in their vehicle, permit or not from whatever state.


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jimku said:
When I retired in Washington state I moved to Idaho within two weeks.
I moved here primarily because it is one of the most gun-friendly states in the country.
We have the stand your ground law.
We have the castle doctrine law covering both your home and your vehicle.
Open carry is legal for anyone over 18.
Concealed carry is legal for anyone over 18 without a concealed carry permit.
Concealed carry permits are easily obtainable for reciprocity in neighboring states and most states in the country ... even extremely liberal states (with restrictions). They are issued on a shall-issue basis, not a may-issue basis. They are good for 5 years.
Background checks are done within minutes at gun shops while you wait.
There is no waiting period to buy a gun.
If you have a state-issued CCW permit there is no background check to buy a gun because one was done when they issued you your permit.
It is a deeply red state so those laws are not likely to change any time soon.

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Although I will admit, I still am a little bit on the fence about 18-year-olds
being legally recognized to carry but then again, there are some 18-year-olds out there that are more responsible than some 21-year-olds.

But, although it would be nice to not have to wait for a background check to clear you whenever you go buy a new gun, I guess that’s just one of those things to where as long as you’re legally recognized to own and carry a gun that the burden of having to wait for a background check to go through really shouldn’t be a problem. The only time it may take a while is if they find anything questionable on your background check that requires further investigation.

But does Idaho let all the other states that are constitutional carry, carry in their state without a permit as well?


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7.62 man said:
Indiana is about that good we have to do a back ground check when we buy a new guns but we have lifetime CCLs so no reapplying.
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I bet that’s nice. I sure wish Oklahoma would do that because it would sure be nice to not have to keep paying for a new permit every 5 or ten years with only the sole intentions of maintaining being able to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol and to be able to continue carrying outside the state to the other states that we have reciprocal agreements with.

Oklahoma went full constitutional almost a year ago but it’s almost like it kind of doesn’t even matter because we can’t fully take advantage of it if like I said, if we want to travel outside Oklahoma, or if we want to be able to continue being able to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. They still charge the same as they did before when permits were required and you still have to go through all the same hoops as you did before to get that permit.


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On the fence or not, over 18 means you can carry concealed in Idaho and it was around for a long time; however, till this year it was outside city limits which was ludicrous. So they made it anywhere in the state (other than exemptions applied to all).
And guess what; lived here now for over five years and have not read any articles about a problem with the 18-21 crowd out in the streets playing Ok Corral.:D

https://www.ag.idaho.gov/office-resources/concealed-weapons/


May I carry a weapon on my person in Idaho?

You may carry a weapon on your person without a concealed weapons license if you are at least 18 years old, a citizen of the United States or a current member of the United States Armed Forces, and you are not disqualified under Idaho law from obtaining a concealed weapons license for a reason other than not having attained 21 years of age. Idaho law imposes additional requirements for persons under the age of 18. See Idaho Code 18-3302E.
 
RETG said:
On the fence or not, over 18 means you can carry concealed in Idaho and it was around for a long time; however, till this year it was outside city limits which was ludicrous. So they made it anywhere in the state (other than exemptions applied to all).
And guess what; lived here now for over five years and have not read any articles about a problem with the 18-21 crowd out in the streets playing Ok Corral.:D

https://www.ag.idaho.gov/office-resources/concealed-weapons/


May I carry a weapon on my person in Idaho?

You may carry a weapon on your person without a concealed weapons license if you are at least 18 years old, a citizen of the United States or a current member of the United States Armed Forces, and you are not disqualified under Idaho law from obtaining a concealed weapons license for a reason other than not having attained 21 years of age. Idaho law imposes additional requirements for persons under the age of 18. See Idaho Code 18-3302E.
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No need to cite the law regarding it, I believe you when it’s said that 18-year-olds can carry, I just said that I’m a little on the fence about that because I don’t know if I fully agree with a “teenager” being allowed to carry but then again as I said, not all 18-year-olds fall into that demographic of of being considered too young to be responsible.


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