Smith & Wesson, Ruger no longer submitting guns for approval to CA

Lol, never actually considered that 44, however that would make for an interesting crime scene if the guy gathered up a handful from a range. And would make for interesting brass recycling/reloading too.

"Detectives concluded that the lone gunman carried with him 25 handguns and had fired the same round multiple times in several of them...":D

Meh, this day in time it seems more practical that someone would have 10 pictures of the bad guy from multiple angles due to their being camera everywhere, than marking shells being of any use whatsoever...
 
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This micro-stamp system either works or it doesn't. Why all the misinformation & conflicts?
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It doesn't work. I demonstrated the failure of the system in Maryland a couple of pages back (here's the post), and if I'm correct, the New York system has failed to return any meaningful data. A study from SAAMI of all sources claims the system there is backed up by a factor of years.
 
Clearer, The Daily Show....

Thanks for making the points clearer. It reminds me of a Daily Show bit a few years ago. Host John Stewart remarked how any gun owner could order a new pistol barrel from Brownells.com (a site he mentioned by name ;) ) & replace the micro-stamp factory part.

The whole concept is absurd but the politicos want to "keep the children safe" :rolleyes: .

Clyde
 
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Thanks for making the points clearer. It reminds me of a Daily Show bit a few years ago. Host John Stewart remarked how any gun owner could order a new pistol barrel from Brownells.com (a site he mentioned by name ) & replace the micro-stamp factory part.
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Afterwards, those politicians would have an argument for regulation firearm parts such as barrels, slides, extractors, firing pins, etc, since those items will leave either a class characteristic, individual characteristic, or some other pertinent marking system which would theoretically allow for identification of a firearm and hence the shooter (owner). Probably not a far stretch to some.

The obvious question to this would be: What would the legalities of regulating such items as a barrel or firing pin or other items be? That answer I do not know.
 
In the third hour of this past Sundays Guntalk podcast, one of the head guys at Ruger explains their position on this issue.
The details are somewhat different that what has been assumed and discussed.
 
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In the third hour of this past Sundays Guntalk podcast, one of the head guys at Ruger explains their position on this issue.
The details are somewhat different that what has been assumed and discussed.
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You wouldn't happen to have a link or maybe could give us a synopsis, would you? I'm probably not the only one curious about the details.
 
Exactly. The imprint does nothing. All it proves is the brass was fired from your gun at some point. It doesn't prove you are the shooter.
 
Guntalk 2014-01-26 Part C - Hour Three - Guest Mike Fifer, Ruger

The actual discussion starts at about the 2-minute mark.

One important point -beyond microstamping- is that the Ruger CEO starts with a reminder that California has substantially tightened the requirements for testing guns.

Another point (around the 7-minute mark) is that Ruger is submitting guns for testing, but CA DOJ will not accept the results from the test labs without microstamping certification.
 
Another point (around the 7-minute mark) is that Ruger is submitting guns for testing, but CA DOJ will not accept the results from the test labs without microstamping certification.
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Like the Loaded Chamber Indicator and the Magazine Disconnect, 'microstamping' is now a gating factor to get on the Roster for semiautomatic handguns.
 
Ruger is submitting guns for testing, but CA DOJ will not accept the results from the test labs without microstamping certification.
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Now this is interesting, and just a wee bit different from what the press is reporting....
 
Re this microstamping requirement, I wonder as to the the following. Could it be that the legislators are completely ignorant of mechanics and pistols, or do the facts of mechanical design not matter to the anti gunners.

1. The ease with which firing pins can be changed.
2. The possibility that addressing the engraved firing pin with emery cloth/abrasive paper or cloth or a fine file can alter/destroy the "micro-engraving".

Of course, there is the large possibility that the legislators who pushed this foolishness through are essentially concerned with eliminating or severely limiting the handgun purchase option of Californians, law abiding Californians that is.
 
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Of course, there is the large possibility that the legislators who pushed this foolishness through are essentially concerned with eliminating or severely limiting the handgun purchase option of Californians, law abiding Californians that is.
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That's it. No other explanation fits the complete intransigence demonstrated by the lawmakers after their ignorance on the point(s) was shown to them.
 
Remember the Monk episode?

This discussion reminds me of an episode of Monk. In the show a crooked cop commits a murder and frames Adrien Monk by shooting the guy with a semi-auto handgun identical to Monk's gun. He then trades out the barrels and when ballistics match, Monk was charged with murder. Micro stamping also just gives criminals another way to frame someone. They could just pick up some brass at a gun range and plant it at a crime scene and imagine trying to explain it to the authorities. Even if it is a flimsy connection to you and you get the charges dropped, you could still have many thousands of dollars lost to lawyer fees and lost wages.:(
 
Yesterday nearly 20 models fell off the roster from these two manufacturers. The list has lost quite a few guns since the law was passed, and I expect it will continue to dwindle until/if there is a court case that over turns microstamping as a handgun ban.
 
With all due respect, some of you get it, others just don't seem to understand, or have any sympathy. Pollititcos(sp) in, for example California, take office and follow their own agendas, regardless of the needs & wishes of the state's residents. We are neither stupid, blind nor ignorant. And more often than not, among the last to know--on the night of December 31st.,1999 the State Legislature held a Closed Session during which was enacted "Senate Bill 15" inventing a list of firearms that could legally be imported into California.Also enacted was a ban on ownership, transfer, sale or importation of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Rhetoric became Law at Midnight that night. And they certainly didn't ask me. Or take into account the opinions of ANY California resident not privy to that CLOSED, late night Legislative session.
Microstamping is Stupid, Junk "Science". Capitulation by major firearms manufacturers has given those that would disarm us EXACTLY what they want, on a silver platter. And don't be foolish enough to believe for a second it can't or won't happen where you are.
 
The main blame is for electing such stupid, lazy, and/corrupt politician. If they "trick" the voters why are they not thrown out at the next election.

The problem is we have too many, certainly not all, voters that are also stupid, lazy and/or corrupt. I expect a few creepy legislators but I would hope the voting public would make short work of them. That is not happening at national or state levels anymore.
 
The problem is we have too many, certainly not all, voters that are also stupid, lazy and/or corrupt. I expect a few creepy legislators but I would hope the voting public would make short work of them. That is not happening at national or state levels anymore.
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That's because the majority voter base in this country are not gun owners.
 
That's because the majority voter base in this country are not gun owners.
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Don't forget that there is a difference between a "gun owner" and an enthusiast. There are a lot of people in the country that are "gun owners" that either seldom of even never use the gun they own. A lot of them know just a little about the gun they have, and virtually nothing else about guns. And don't ever learn.

Even criminals are counted as gun owners, after all, they do have guns. Just not in compliance with the laws.;)

Just as anyone with a gun in their hands that steps off the pavement is counted by someone as a "hunter".

The drooling idiot (provided they haven't been committed) and the elitist socialist with multiple PHDs in social engineering, abstract art, flower arrangement and other useful skills, get the same vote as you and I.
 
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